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So if the Queen of Ashes really is Elidinis, does that explain why the moon or Zanaris is appearing (I think for the first time ever). Tumeken being the sun god and she might have some influence on the moon?

Maybe I'm just thinking too much about this random skybox.. Still find it odd the area is set during night time while everything around is day time. I mean.. Why didn't Jagex just put the skybox throughout the whole game during the event..? :)

13-Nov-2016 08:50:38

Wahisietel
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Honestly at this point I'm inclined to ignore the Burning Nihil. I don't think we should put much weight in MTX lore, and it doesn't really make any sense.

Not only does it look nothing like a Nihil, there shouldn't even BE any male Nihil, and its sentience makes no sense. So either this is something pretending to be a Nihil, or lorefails.
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13-Nov-2016 09:08:07

Kemtros
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Wahisietel said :
Honestly at this point I'm inclined to ignore the Burning Nihil. I don't think we should put much weight in MTX lore, and it doesn't really make any sense.

Not only does it look nothing like a Nihil, there shouldn't even BE any male Nihil, and its sentience makes no sense. So either this is something pretending to be a Nihil, or lorefails.


Why "shouldn't" there be any male Nihil? Is there a hard rule that all Nihil must be female? It looks well enough like a Nihil, since I doubt the rule of them is that they have to vaguely look like Nex. As for its sentience, do we know if that was because of his original creation because of Zaros, or something the Queen of Ashes did? There's no reason to call this a "lorefail". A character's story not being fully explained is not the same as a "lorefail". It just means that the character has a story that we don't entirely know, which isn't a "fail" of anything.

Maiden China said :
Kemtros said :
The Mahjarrat have no souls, and therefore no afterlife, so I find it hard for Temekel to have been revived. Maybe the Kharid-ib has some loophole around the nature of the Mahjarrat, like it gave Temekel a soul?
if you're responding to me, I didn't mean he was revived by Tumeken, just that his skull temporarily was, to give a last message. Or maybe temekel is just *that* powerful

saying the mahjarrat have no souls would mean they're robots...
they do have souls, they're just different from normal people's souls


That's a better way of putting it. Even if they have souls, it's the nature of those souls that mean they have no afterlife. I do think Temekel was still alive, but as you said, his skull was what was revived.

13-Nov-2016 15:19:15

Cthris
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There is a really easy and likely explanation for why the Burning Nihl looks different. It's that he's made out of different species. There's no reason to assume Zaros only stuck to the Vampyre, Icyene, Demon, Aviancy matrix.

I have some evidence to further suggest what I say is the truth.

Open up the event page, and look at the rewards scale. The one where you see your progress towards the event. Examine the boots. It will say something along the lines of "torn from the legs of a race build for running". Except, what species of the 4 would even have legs built for running. All four of them can fly largely making legs for hardcore running redundent . So I'm thinking that there is a greater chance that the legs were taken from a different species. Maybe Terrorbird, or Elf.

13-Nov-2016 15:46:56 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2016 16:53:40 by Cthris

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Cthris said :
Maiden China said :

saying the mahjarrat have no souls would mean they're robots...

How does that logic work?
your soul is 'you', you are your soul. robots dont have souls, they aren't 'me's. If mahjarrat didn't have souls, they wouldn't be self-aware

if you wished, you could quite safely disregard any problems they have, or turn them into a basic slave race without facing moral issues. You don't go to jail for smashing a toaster you own, so why would anyone but the toaster have a problem with you murdering toasters... it's not like the toaster's a person with feelings and emotions and whatever
even the toaster itself has no problem with you destroying it, because it physically can't have a problem with it, and if the toaster was like 'no, please, i have a family', you'd maybe feel a tad bad but whatever the toaster is saying is just something it's been programmed to say

when you think robots, you will think ai-software created by humans combined with hardware created by humans, but very easily that could be software and hardware created by gods and made of very much the same materials humans are made of
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14-Nov-2016 07:50:13 - Last edited on 14-Nov-2016 07:52:24 by Maiden China

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By that logic, a rock would also be a robot.

You are also presupposing that a soul is necessary for a concept of self when, in RS's case, it's only known purpose is serving as the part of a being that persists after death.

You also presuppose that having a soul and being a robot are two mutually exclusive and dichotomous conditions. There's an argument to be had, for example, that a human being could be considered a self replicating biological robot programmed (at birth) with the capacity to store observed data and generate responses based both on the innate programming and the data that was observed.

14-Nov-2016 12:41:33

Cthris
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Hguoh said :
By that logic, a rock would also be a robot.

Or a cell
Or a jellyfish
Or a person in a coma
Or a person sleeping
Or a newborn baby (Since their movements are purely autonomous responses to stimuli, not even blessed yet with the illusion of freewill :( )

14-Nov-2016 22:40:50

Maiden China

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Hguoh said :
By that logic, a rock would also be a robot.

You are also presupposing that a soul is necessary for a concept of self when, in RS's case, it's only known purpose is serving as the part of a being that persists after death.

You also presuppose that having a soul and being a robot are two mutually exclusive and dichotomous conditions. There's an argument to be had, for example, that a human being could be considered a self replicating biological robot programmed (at birth) with the capacity to store observed data and generate responses based both on the innate programming and the data that was observed.

1 fine. I missed the bit where i said the rock talked to you and did things that might make you think it's self aware
2 well, I guess in rs, no one is self aware since everyone's an npc and the character you control is empty of independant thought, so... yeah, I guess you're right
3 well, you 'could', but I can't. I mean I can assume every other human is like that, which isn't something I want to assume, but I can't assume that for myself... since.. I'm me. Like me-me. Like I'm an actual living being, my friends. Like alive and stuff. Like why can't you see me, I'm here. I'm alive. I am me. Me, I tell you. I'm alive... like... alive-alive, not pretend-alive like you possibly are. *shakes you by the shoulders*
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15-Nov-2016 04:22:09

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1) I wouldn't think she is tier 2. The World Gate leads to Abbinah so Armadyl may have used it to bring the aviansie over, and there's also a connection with Teragard which Saradomin is likely to have used.

2) I haven't been on for a while so I'll need to check this.

3) Nooo, it ain't Elidinis. She's been confirmed a tier 5 and was banished by the Edicts. Besides, Icthlarin would have said something if she was. That and her animal aspect is a hippo. The Queen of Ashes wouldn't use hippos, it really makes no sense.
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15-Nov-2016 11:43:09

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