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Deltaslug

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Hazeel said :
...Or maybe he doesn't have a philosophy? Maybe he's just some guy who happened to be a God, found a Goddess, and wanted to raise a family with nothing deeper beyond that?

That said, he has some good and bad going for him...on one hand, he's willing to sacrifice himself for his people...on the other hand, he seems to allow slavery.

I actually have to agree.
Most gods themselves don't technically represent a single thing in a way you're thinking.
Guthix took a balanced approach with nature in mind, but that didn't exactly make him a "god of balance".
Bandos promoted war and conflict, but that doesn't exactly make him a "god of war".
Saradomin and Zaros are each an aspect of "order", but their own way, not others'.

Plus it's not like if a god dies, the universe is now lost of that function.
Bandos died, but we still have wars.

Tumeken might have been a chieftan or pharoah on another world when he ascended.
He knew much about being in charge, because he was.
It's also possible he had a family in his mortal life. (at least adopted?) They died out.
When he came to Runescape, he simply saw an opportunity to bring about a form of rule he once had.
Much like some other omni-discipline rulers who noticed that certain key roles were missing, probably also noting he missed his family. And killed 2 kebbits with 1 stone: he made a family, and assigned them roles (not mundane stuff like chief minister on something, but important none the less.)

As for good vs bad ... we consider slavery to be a bad thing. At many points in the past it varied between 'good' and just business. (the industrial revolution is one of the main things that killed off large scale slavery irl... but did kinda create new ones ... )

11-Apr-2017 16:46:12

PercyJakks0n

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Penny Drakis said :
PercyJakks0n said :
He likes to shout "Tumeken ackbar," before blowing himself up.

All right, calm yourselves, I'm only making a joke.
Swolllliosis said :
- He likes women.

Good to know.


I really mean it, that's good to know.

Typical snowflake. Tumeken and Elidinis made beautiful rainbows together.


Lightning > rainbows.

We must secure an existence for Zaros followers and a future for Zarosian children.

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13-Apr-2017 11:20:18

PercyJakks0n

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Deltaslug said :
we consider slavery to be a bad thing. At many points in the past it varied between 'good' and just business. (the industrial revolution is one of the main things that killed off large scale slavery irl... but did kinda create new ones ... )

In the past slavery happened to those who were captured in battle, it could happen to anyone if their luck was down.

Runescape's a medieval fantasy game with characters that don't operate on the same kind of modern day morality we do, keep that in mind.
We must secure an existence for Zaros followers and a future for Zarosian children.

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13-Apr-2017 11:22:18 - Last edited on 13-Apr-2017 11:25:20 by PercyJakks0n

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Bloodcount said :
Forgive me for believing my intent was transparent. The initial thread was discussing Tumeken's Beliefs, and the point that was being closely observed at the time of my post (which I quoted) was in response to the discussion as to how T.K. and the Sunshine Band's family values compared to the other gods. Basically, it was a response to "No, they all had kids, so they must all care about family (paraphrase)". My point was to show why just having some form of offspring did not give them the same familial beliefs.

Ahhh, no worries, I think I sorta glanced at it and got onto the topic of god families (which I do love rambling on about) before looking at your comment for anything other than face value...!

So yeah, guess we were saying similar things, just that you were doing so with better names. :p

PercyJakks0n said :
Runescape's a medieval fantasy game with characters that don't operate on the same kind of modern day morality we do, keep that in mind.

But it should also be kept in mind that the game exists in the context of modern day real life, and is written by people in modern day real life. Targeted at people in modern day real life, too -- they're not taking it back in time for ancient Egyptians to play, after all.

Also, this game never has been historically accurate to one time period or another. Fantasy pretty much never is. It's already a mishmash of values and concepts from all over the place, and I doubt this game's about to portray something as acceptable just because it was acceptable at one point in time.
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13-Apr-2017 19:59:59

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Questcaping said :
[ PercyJakks0n said :
Runescape's a medieval fantasy game with characters that don't operate on the same kind of modern day morality we do, keep that in mind.

But it should also be kept in mind that the game exists in the context of modern day real life, and is written by people in modern day real life. Targeted at people in modern day real life, too -- they're not taking it back in time for ancient Egyptians to play, after all.[/i] that's accurate
and unfortunate, I think
I always hate in time travel shows where the morality of the modern time is... so readily accepted by the people from the past
If someone came from the future with ridiculously outrageous beliefs, you'd laugh in his face

also, how the main characters of historical fiction almost always have modern beliefs and values Carn

14-Apr-2017 08:28:16

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Maiden China said :
also, how the main characters of historical fiction almost always have modern beliefs and values

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It's called "fiction" for a reason -- liberties are taken. Something that people in mediaeval England, for instance, had nigh-universally was incredibly poor dental hygiene . (And to go a little later -- Queen Elizabeth I had notoriously rotten teeth!) But the poor dental hygiene is almost always left out so that it isn't an unnecessary distraction for modern audiences. Same sort of deal with the values that are depicted.

If you want to write a story about historical values, then leave them in. If you want to strive for 100% accuracy, then likewise -- though the end result may well be unpalatable for modern audiences. But if you don't want that impeding on the story, then for storytelling purposes, it may well be more efficient to leave it out.

(And of course, this goes doubly for fantasy -- Gielinor is a world that decidedly isn't our own, and as such isn't an exact mirror of the time and place on Earth it's referencing.)

Bloodcount said :
Time-Travel Elite skill inb4 BTS!

Ahh yes, the new elite skill Time Travel, requiring level 80 in Time Travel.
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14-Apr-2017 19:22:44

SurviveDeath

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Just as humans have the four temperaments, what if Tumeken is just the overall culmination of minor deities (Apmeken, Het, Scabaras, Crondis etc) that are fused together? It would be interesting if the various minor gods "take over" Tumeken at different parts of the day or on different days which would make the Dream of Tumeken more interesting. (Het ruling on first day, Apmeken on second, Crondis on Third and Scabaras on Fourth and cycle repeats) It could be said that after they "left", the only thing left is the body which probably is no longer needed. Since the body is able to house four minor gods, it stands to reason that it has the capacity to do serious damage when it exploded.

Another possibility is that Tumeken is just another god that is the more dominant as compared to the other minor gods and thus appears as such. This is in reference to the ancient Egyptian sun-god Ra where Ra can be seen combined with other gods.

So in a sense, Tumeken might not exactly have a specific belief.

17-Apr-2017 08:44:47

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I think we should have a wait-and-see on Tumeken. I mean I like Icthlarin and all, but of course he's gonna put his dad in a good light.

Then again, I think the "followers" of Tumeken are the ONLY people who haven't tried to kill the World Guardian at one point or another. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

27-Apr-2017 19:06:06

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