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Half Centaur said :
him to be on a similar or greater level than the elder gods.


I don’t think that’s necessary at all.

I think Xau-Tak functions reasonably as a memetic agent. A sort of virus of the mind. Worming its way into your head with but the barest hint of its nature. It drives you to seek it out further, and wraps and weaves itself tighter into your being the closer and closer you get. It tempts you with promises of answers or power, and gives them freely. Yet each answer brings up 2 more questions, each sample of its power a line to draw you further into its sprawling web.

It wants you to theorize about it, as that gives it more of a hold over you. It wants you to spread word of it so it can dig into the minds of others as well. And with each mind it infects it grows more and more able to use them to affect the physical world so that all of creation may eventually be its domain.

Of course, that’s only one option, and probably isn’t right. My point though is that something doesn’t have to be all that powerful to be absolutely terrifying. The scary thing about the elder gods is their power and utter disregard for our existence. They are like an apex predator and we are their prey.

On the other side of the power spectrum, you can have tiny viruses. You can’t see them. You only detect them after they’ve already been inside you for days, weeks, or even years. They can destroy you from the inside out while you are helpless to stop them. And even if you do manage to fend them off once, they can remain dormant inside you for years, only teaching out to attack again when you are weak and vulnerable. They will use you to spread them to other people before you even know you have one, and will continue to use you for that purpose even once you are aware whether you like it or not.

It’s entirely insidious, and doesn’t require them to be very powerful at all.

22-Mar-2018 21:27:34

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Hguoh said :
It’s entirely insidious, and doesn’t require them to be very powerful at all.

I dunno, that arm hurt pretty bad :P

But really, how conscious is it? Is it aware of individuals the same way we are? Is it akin to Darth Nihilus in KotOR II and just senses life energy and swims towards it to feed? Is thinking of when it first appeared in terms of universal revisions even valid? To my last question, I don't think it is - we saw those stars. They were not our stars. It's not from within a black nothingness that Xau-Tak has reached into our realm, which is I think where a lot of people's thoughts have been (mine included, until that moment) - that it was just sitting out in empty space, waiting for something to Eat.

Where did Guthix talking about trying to whack Xau-Tak out of that planet come up? I want to reread that.



But yes. I've been of a like mind as you and Wahisietel. Discussing it as a 'god' rather than something like a force of (un)nature is pretty much a waste of time. And boring! It's so dull to try to force something never-before-seen into the unfortunate categories that Jagex provided.


I've posted a paraphrase of the paragraph above in this thread before, sheesh. It's a lot, at this point, to expect people new to this fascinating beastie to read all 92 pages, but still.
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23-Mar-2018 04:26:42

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Handkerchief said :
Hguoh said :
It’s entirely insidious, and doesn’t require them to be very powerful at all.

I dunno, that arm hurt pretty bad :P


But was it even real? The ones in the fight disappear mid-strike if you recover your sanity enough (at least they did for me). Rabid Jack himself says that the glimpse of the arm was meant to drive us utterly gibbering mad, and hallucinations popped up everywhere in the fight.

23-Mar-2018 12:02:10

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Hguoh said :
Handkerchief said :
Hguoh said :
It’s entirely insidious, and doesn’t require them to be very powerful at all.

I dunno, that arm hurt pretty bad :P


But was it even real? The ones in the fight disappear mid-strike if you recover your sanity enough (at least they did for me). Rabid Jack himself says that the glimpse of the arm was meant to drive us utterly gibbering mad, and hallucinations popped up everywhere in the fight.

Oooh, nice. Sentient beings can only perceive it as 'something' trying to get us and our weak CNS goes with arms. But... if it's the sight of the arms that's making us nuts, maybe that's more 'real' than anything else? They're the only recurring description and visualization we get - I think it's a lot to expect that everything from Player to Dragonkin has an identical hallucination.

How insane did you let yourself get? I let it get to 5 stacks where the camera totally flips - does it go beyond that?
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23-Mar-2018 12:14:42

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Handkerchief said :
How insane did you let yourself get? I let it get to 5 stacks where the camera totally flips - does it go beyond that?


I let myself only ever get to 3. At that point, the arm appears and tries to attack and Rabid Jack starts to get clones, but if you drop to 2 or 1 the arm and clones disappear. No idea how far insanity goes

23-Mar-2018 12:40:48 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2018 15:17:08 by Hguoh

Wahisietel
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So one thing of note - in all the content it has been referenced in, Xau-Tak itself has never actually been described as being on Gielinor, or even on Jermyn.

Only its arms reaching out of things.

So that made me think... what if Xau-Tak wasn't kept out by the edicts, or trapped in the Underwater City? What if it is incapable of leaving its own dimension, and thus is forced to influence this one via its hands and proxies, such as Rabid Jack?
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

23-Mar-2018 13:40:56

Uncle Harper
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Danchu said :
Uncle Harper said :
Half Centaur said :
Honestly, the only way I can think of to have Xau-Tak fit in our universe as this lovecraftian eldritch horror god that they're shooting for, is for him to be on a similar or greater level than the elder gods.


Ive been saying this for awhile now but hes not exactly an elder hes more like an anti-elder god. The ones that we "really think we can save" might be the actual elder gods hes plotting against. Hes the perfect foil for them and will offer himself as an escape from their destructive patterns. Like he seems to whisper to everyone else.


He'd have to be on a similar level to the Elders right? Why would he spend time gathering/converting/manipulating mortals like the Mwanu when they can do nothing to the Elders anyway. He'd have to deal with the Elders himself, why bother with distractions.

Also, why the 'problem' with us, it sounds like he knows us and considers us a problem, if he is on a power level similar to Elders, he could just get rid of us or anyone with ease.


Let's pause for a second and look at the source material. Xau is based on Lovecrafts Cthulhu mythology. This mythology contains elder gods which are those opposed to Cthulhu and his kin. There are generally 4 accepted elders in this mythology (more in the expanded post lovecraftian universe). There was a fifth, wife of Cthulhu that he killed. Hmm...someone similar in the RS universe recently died and Seren said "someone close to her did this." So this could be a hint of Xau-taks relation to the elders and his own power. But you can also view it as irrelevant, though it is generally accepted by fans as part of the mythos the Elders never came into the universe until after HP's passing. So they are not inventions of the original author of the mythos. Just some knowledge to pass along.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

23-Mar-2018 17:24:56

Uncle Harper
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Hguoh said :
Handkerchief said :
How insane did you let yourself get? I let it get to 5 stacks where the camera totally flips - does it go beyond that?


I let myself only ever get to 3. At that point, the arm appears and tries to attack and Rabid Jack starts to get clones, but if you drop to 2 or 1 the arm and clones disappear. No idea how far insanity goes


I got to 4, there was spinning, lots of random arms, Zaros being constructed appeared, the easter bunny appeared, Sliske doing his attack animation from endgame appeared, Jack clones, Giant mole.
I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

23-Mar-2018 17:26:21

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Uncle Harper said :
Hguoh said :
Handkerchief said :
How insane did you let yourself get? I let it get to 5 stacks where the camera totally flips - does it go beyond that?


I let myself only ever get to 3. At that point, the arm appears and tries to attack and Rabid Jack starts to get clones, but if you drop to 2 or 1 the arm and clones disappear. No idea how far insanity goes


I got to 4, there was spinning, lots of random arms, Zaros being constructed appeared, the easter bunny appeared, Sliske doing his attack animation from endgame appeared, Jack clones, Giant mole.

If I'd brought more food, I'd have let it go past 5 (if there is more), but it was pretty damaging at that point. Maybe the magic toad filter turns on!

When I got to 5 and saw that the whole screen was turning upside down I was determined to let it go all the way (which I did). Thankfully the click radii on the chains was pretty large. It was trippy. I wish I'd recorded it, shucks.
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23-Mar-2018 17:57:25

Hguoh

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Uncle Harper said :
Let's pause for a second and look at the source material. Xau is based on Lovecrafts Cthulhu mythology. This mythology contains elder gods which are those opposed to Cthulhu and his kin. There are generally 4 accepted elders in this mythology (more in the expanded post lovecraftian universe). There was a fifth, wife of Cthulhu that he killed. Hmm...someone similar in the RS universe recently died and Seren said "someone close to her did this." So this could be a hint of Xau-taks relation to the elders and his own power. But you can also view it as irrelevant, though it is generally accepted by fans as part of the mythos the Elders never came into the universe until after HP's passing. So they are not inventions of the original author of the mythos. Just some knowledge to pass along.


The icy blue crystals on Mah’s core very strongly suggests that the elder god Wen corrupted Mah (ice is Wen’s domain, and pure elder god magic is crystal).

If it were Xau, I’d expect black stone, tentacles, hands, or something undead or rotting to have been corrupting Mah’s core.

23-Mar-2018 19:35:40

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