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Raxxess

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Neo Bestia said :

Yeah, I wouldn't really call them of average power. Then again, Icyene probably aren't *but then again, we are not just talking about strength, we're talking about their social backgrounds and gender).

Right so far we see a lot of the Saradominist hierarchy have come from very humble beginnings, and those that were born into higher positions still fight all the same. Sir Tiffy Cashien despite being such a high standing ranked temple knight still helps out in the field.

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15-May-2014 19:39:20 - Last edited on 15-May-2014 19:40:24 by Raxxess

Chaos Lupus

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Moia was nothing but a weak servant to Lucien. It wasn't until she absorbed the portal magic in Daemonheim and was trained by Zamorak that she came to be as powerful as she is today. She's now as powerful as one of the most powerful living mahjarrat.

The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

15-May-2014 19:40:43

Chaos Lupus

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Raxxess said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Neo Bestia said :
Raxxess said :
I have recently noticed to add to Saradomin's character he doesn't seem to judge people based on race or birth. Ex. Padomenes who was born a farmer is now one of his top ranking generals, Zilyana second in command of the faction really being female when seeing Padomenes male Icyene are much bigger, Sir Owen though he was born noble and affluent is on the front lines just like his other followers.

Where you have gods like Bandos, Zamorak, and Zaros whose followers are basically born into their power. Keeping their following to races that don't actually struggle to obtain their status or prove it themselves that have it because of the status of their race/birth.

Personally I see this as a strength. But do you see this as a strength or weakness?

Actually that would be a very interesting question to ask Mod Stu.

Just taking into account how far Zilyana got even though she is female in the context of a Renaissance society I'd say is something worth enquiring about.

Do Icyene have a greater gender equality than mos races? Was this fostered by Saradomin? Is Zilyana an exception? Is Sir Owen an exception?.

This questions got me thinking.
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Moia, Nex, and Char are all female.

But going to the second part of it they aren't exactly just normal females. Moia is half Mahjarrat, Char is a powerful fire dancer, and Nex herself is a nihil. All very rare races that are born with massive power.

And addressing your other post, a weak ourg is still extremely powerful, same with demons and nihil. Mahjarrat are also very powerful even Moia.

When compared to their competition, it's pretty clear that the odds were against many of them.

General Graardor, an undersized ourg, had to prove his strength through combat.

Moia was weaker than all of the other Zamorakian mahjarrat.

The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

15-May-2014 19:43:59

Raxxess

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Chaos Lupus said :
Moia was nothing but a weak servant to Lucien. It wasn't until she absorbed the portal magic in Daemonheim and was trained by Zamorak that she came to be as powerful as she is today. She's now as powerful as one of the most powerful living mahjarrat.

Spotting potential in races that are born inherently powerful isn't exactly what I'm going for here.. What separates Sir Owen from the very vulnerable citizens of lumbridge? Nothing really. Saradomin could just have had Sir Owen's use his birth to rally followers but Sir Owen is on the front lines like everyone else. Nex was the only one that would follow Zaros sooo. Moia was also born of a human sorceress so Half Mahjarrat half Sorceress I wouldn't exactly say noticing potential there was something special. Ourgs are still much more powerful than other races.

Plus where are you getting these very humble beginnings of Graardor? And where does it say that Nex was very weak compared to the other nihil? In fact I thought reason Zaros gave a piece of himself into Nex was because she was a prodigy among the rest.

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15-May-2014 19:44:33 - Last edited on 15-May-2014 19:47:45 by Raxxess

Chaos Lupus

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K'ril had to rise above all of the other Avernic demons, which isn't an easy task by any means.

Char was nothing but a dancer until she witnessed the enslavement of her people.

Nex was an unintelligent member of a race that was considered a failure by its creator.

Graardor's body guards are goblins, so enough said there.

All of these individuals had their work cut out for them when overcoming the odds.

The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

15-May-2014 19:46:33

Falcoshin

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I believe it was actually said that, physically, Nex was very weak and the reason Zaros helped her was so that the other zarytes wouldn't gang up and bully her to death.

Though the Graardor thing is just as new to me as it is to you.

15-May-2014 19:51:03

Neo Bestia

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Chaos Lupus said :
K'ril had to rise above all of the other Avernic demons, which isn't an easy task by any means.

Char was nothing but a dancer until she witnessed the enslavement of her people.

Nex was an unintelligent member of a race that was considered a failure by its creator.

Graardor's body guards are goblins, so enough said there.

All of these individuals had their work cut out for them when overcoming the odds.

Actually the Nihil themselves are very powerful (at least with game mechanics

). Zaros gave Nex con*ious making her MORE powerful.

No ones contesting what Char was/wasn't before the enslavement of her people. We're just saying her race isn't weak/average power.

I have to say, maybe Bandos would be an example of @worshipping the strong@ but we're not saying that, we're pointing that despite their background, social class, gender (not precisely race as humans are not particularly strong and Icyene whilst a powerful race are not really marked as altogether strong <we musn't forget some Icyene are farmers>, meaning it could be personal development+ innate strength) Sir Owen, Zilyana, Padomenes are given the stations they hold because of their own merits.

15-May-2014 19:51:21 - Last edited on 15-May-2014 19:55:15 by Neo Bestia

Chaos Lupus

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Raxxess said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Moia was nothing but a weak servant to Lucien. It wasn't until she absorbed the portal magic in Daemonheim and was trained by Zamorak that she came to be as powerful as she is today. She's now as powerful as one of the most powerful living mahjarrat.

Spotting potential in races that are born inherently powerful isn't exactly what I'm going for here.. What separates Sir Owen from the very vulnerable citizens of lumbridge? Nothing really. Saradomin could just have had Sir Owen's use his birth to rally followers but Sir Owen is on the front lines like everyone else. Nex was the only one that would follow Zaros sooo. Moia was also born of a human sorceress so Half Mahjarrat half Sorceress I wouldn't exactly say noticing potential there was something special.

You're missing the point. The odds were stacked against all of these individuals.

You say that Sir Owen is special because he fights on the front lines. But so does any other average White Knight. The same goes for the Kinshra. Hell, goblins are out there on the front lines. Graardor's body guards are some of the highest ranking individuals in his army.

No source that I'm aware of says that Moia's mother was a sorceress. Regardless, she was at a major disadvantage when compared to other Zamorakian mahjarrat.

You fail to realize that rising above your entire race is no easy task. Nex was chosen by Zaros because he she had grown above the others. As you said, the nihil are a powerful race.

The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

15-May-2014 19:52:16

Raxxess

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Falcoshin said :
I believe it was actually said that, physically, Nex was very weak and the reason Zaros helped her was so that the other zarytes wouldn't gang up and bully her to death.

Though the Graardor thing is just as new to me as it is to you.

Ah ok I don't care much for Nex. Yea I don't know about Graardor being weak at first plus it would be a much bigger piece of lore if that was true as it goes completely against bandos philosophy.

And doesn't Bilrach say he created Kril?

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15-May-2014 19:54:43

Chaos Lupus

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Raxxess said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Moia was nothing but a weak servant to Lucien. It wasn't until she absorbed the portal magic in Daemonheim and was trained by Zamorak that she came to be as powerful as she is today. She's now as powerful as one of the most powerful living mahjarrat.

Spotting potential in races that are born inherently powerful isn't exactly what I'm going for here.. What separates Sir Owen from the very vulnerable citizens of lumbridge? Nothing really. Saradomin could just have had Sir Owen's use his birth to rally followers but Sir Owen is on the front lines like everyone else. Nex was the only one that would follow Zaros sooo. Moia was also born of a human sorceress so Half Mahjarrat half Sorceress I wouldn't exactly say noticing potential there was something special. Ourgs are still much more powerful than other races.

Plus where are you getting these very humble beginnings of Graardor? And where does it say that Nex was very weak compared to the other nihil? In fact I thought reason Zaros gave a piece of himself into Nex was because she was a prodigy among the rest.

You added more to your post.

The Glory of General Graardor. 'He was only seven or eight-feet tall, smaller than the others in his tribe, and he wasn't able to eat a pig whole. Even then, Graardor found favour with the Big High War God. His tribe would only allow sizable adults to go to war, but the Big High War God gave him the courage to challenge the Tribe Chief to a wrestling match to the death. Graardor won, was able to go to war, and was the new Tribe Chief to boot.

Despite his youth and size, Graardor killed more than any on the battlefield. His tribe mates recall a pile of bodies as big as White Wolf Mountain.'

No one said that Nex was weak.

The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

15-May-2014 19:54:54

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