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Mar

2014

Roland Lyons

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Probably been discussed here before, but do any other Saradominists here share a positive view of Zaros? I know it sounds strange because we're probably the faction with the highest number of Zaros haters.

(Slight spoilers, I spoiled myself actually)I have yet to do Fate of the Gods, but from what I've seen and read, it seems Zaros means no harm to Saradomin or his followers despite their history of conflict. While he does make appeals to every faction, his appeal to a Saradominist really did convince me he was on our side.

"I note that you are a follower of Saradomin. Neither of you need fear me. By all means, continue to serve him. I will not ask anything of you that conflicts with your beliefs. In fact, my return would serve the greater good. Someone must parlay with the elder gods. For all of his advancements, he is still of mortal origins. The elder gods would no more listen to him than they did the dragonkin."

The greater good and the ends justifying the means is the embodiment of the Saradominist philosophy, even if he was at one point an enemy of our patron, he is the only one who even has a chance to plea to the Elder Gods about not bringing about the Great Revision. I'm sure Saradomin can see the justice in that.

And let's not forget that the one who was trying to convince us to sabotage Zaros was Sliske, the very one who took seven of our best brothers and turned them into his eternal slaves.

I will protect Gielinor. Zaros has no love for its people.

-Saradomin, Polemarchos Autokrator

29-Apr-2014 03:09:56 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2014 03:11:52 by Roland Lyons

Jan

2020

King Shoshon

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Zaros is not our only option to stop the elder gods, so why should we help him. I mean, his conditions mean we have to trust a being who wishes to subtly control us all and give him ultimate power based on his words alone. We will move across their borders and pick our teeth with their bones. We will flush them from their homes and crush them beneath our paws. We will finally be free of the filthy Brown Tigers once and for all! White Tiger Kingdom! White Tiger World!

29-Apr-2014 03:24:29

Raxxess

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It is more we are the faction most bashed by Zarosians.

Personally I don't exactly like him I guess more on the reason that he has kind of eclipsed all game lore and I just get tired of how constant his lore is and how much love he receives it makes sense at first like its the new thing but it has gone on for a while now.

Lore wise you can't exactly trust him. In his dialogue he talks about many events that happened on Gielinor while he was gone that he somehow knows about. But the problem is he wasn't on gielinor when that happened and he tells us that he couldn't establish contact because after zamorak almost killed him he like lost his mind and it was absorbing the muspah that restored him. So how would he know about that? Unless he wasn't telling you everything.

Plus he basically expanded and invaded, and we are just supposed to take his word that he won't try it again.

Overall while I'm a Saradominist I like to think of myself as a younger god supporter because their stories are very interesting and they are never expanded on, while Zaros has been the center point of lore for a while now. So that is more why I don't like him its not exactly from a lore stand point I just don't like when one character is presented so "above" others and now with the Seren expansion to him it just gets bigger and bigger eventually it will just get ridiculous.

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- Aegis of Saradomin

29-Apr-2014 03:25:37 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2014 03:28:54 by Raxxess

Mar

2014

Roland Lyons

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Raxxess said :
Plus he basically expanded and invaded, and we are just supposed to take his word that he won't try it again.
But he said it himself that trying to rebuild the empire would be pointless, as it would simply fall again.

King Shoshon said :
Zaros is not our only option to stop the elder gods, so why should we help him. I mean, his conditions mean we have to trust a being who wishes to subtly control us all and give him ultimate power based on his words alone. What other options?

I will protect Gielinor. Zaros has no love for its people.

-Saradomin, Polemarchos Autokrator

29-Apr-2014 03:28:45 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2014 03:30:50 by Roland Lyons

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2020

King Shoshon

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Roland Lyons said :
Raxxess said :
Plus he basically expanded and invaded, and we are just supposed to take his word that he won't try it again.
But he said it himself that trying to rebuild the empire would be pointless, as it would simply fall again.

He realized his methods didn't work, but he isn't changing his goal. He still believes he is the only one with the right to rule and should be given power over all. We will move across their borders and pick our teeth with their bones. We will flush them from their homes and crush them beneath our paws. We will finally be free of the filthy Brown Tigers once and for all! White Tiger Kingdom! White Tiger World!

29-Apr-2014 03:30:32

Raxxess

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Roland Lyons said :
Raxxess said :
Plus he basically expanded and invaded, and we are just supposed to take his word that he won't try it again.
But he said it himself that trying to rebuild the empire would be pointless, as it would simply fall again.

But he is just saying what you want to hear. I think one of the more hidden points is he talks of how he doesn't seek revenge or that he will be tolerant of the other gods. But he basically ex-communicates sliske for something that was more of the players own decision if you didn't follow him. And he doesn't seem to believe that people just naturally don't want to follow him.

And your right he doesn't want to build an empire again, he wants to become an elder god.. Which is the next level of his ambition to grab power.

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- Aegis of Saradomin

29-Apr-2014 03:31:13 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2014 03:33:17 by Raxxess

Mar

2014

Roland Lyons

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Raxxess said :
Roland Lyons said :
Raxxess said :
Plus he basically expanded and invaded, and we are just supposed to take his word that he won't try it again.
But he said it himself that trying to rebuild the empire would be pointless, as it would simply fall again.

But he is just saying what you want to hear. I think one of the more hidden points is he talks of how he doesn't seek revenge or that he will be tolerant of the other gods. But he basically ex-communicates sliske for something that was more of the players own decision if you didn't follow him. And he doesn't seem to believe that people just naturally don't want to follow him.

And your right he doesn't want to build an empire again, he wants to become an elder god.. Which is the next level of his ambition to grab power. You still haven't explained any better method of dealing with the Elders.

I will protect Gielinor. Zaros has no love for its people.

-Saradomin, Polemarchos Autokrator

29-Apr-2014 05:17:26

Moon Man

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I agree with you Cody, about the fact that Zaros doesn't want to rebuild his empire again and probably won't start a fight with Saradomin.

*Spoiler*

However, I still sabotaged him. The amount of power he wants to gain is just too risky for me. Even if I was in another faction, I would've done the same.

29-Apr-2014 05:43:03

Raleirosen

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Cody, I believe Osborne or Jack or one of the lore-oriented mods stated somewhere that Zaros would not be the only option we have regarding the Elder Gods. More will present themselves, in time.

King Shoshon said :
He realized his methods didn't work, but he isn't changing his goal. He still believes he is the only one with the right to rule and should be given power over all.
Hmmmm, sounds awfully similar to a blue-skinned, white-bearded, crown-wearing fellow I happen to know. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

29-Apr-2014 07:58:41 - Last edited on 29-Apr-2014 08:00:01 by Raleirosen

Zulkir

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King Shoshon said :
Roland Lyons said :
Raxxess said :
Plus he basically expanded and invaded, and we are just supposed to take his word that he won't try it again.
But he said it himself that trying to rebuild the empire would be pointless, as it would simply fall again.

He still believes he is the only one with the right to rule and should be given power over all.

Nope.

He doesn't want to rule, or did you skip over ALL that lovely dialogue in Fot*? Yes of course you did. Otherwise you would know better.

It is his belief that the elder gods have failed and that all of creation should be inherited by mortals.

However his method of reasoning with the elders is reach a level of power that forces them to listen to him.

It's completely logical, Only a being of Divine origin can communicate with them, but even though Zaros is the most powerful none elder god, If he went up to them now they could just easily ignore whatever he says and go about their universal destruction.

If he was an elder god, They would have to listen to him, they couldn't kill him, they couldn't simply ignore another one of their kind, at the very least, they would hear him out*

**;DR: You're wrong about about Zaros, I proved that, and I just explained his plans of dealing with the elder gods. There you go.

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