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Hguoh

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Capn Swag said :
umm Zaros were never their elder brother or acted like one. he was just trying control every single living being. he made empty promises to every single races. that's why people stood up against him vampyre, demons and Mahjarrats.

far as today goes, current Zaros is much more smarter and thinks alot before he does something. i have to agree with azzy with this one.


Small correction on this part: there's nothing to indicate that Zaros made empty promises to the demons and vampyres.

And based on Zaros's dialogue in the memory (specifically his comment that it was 'semantics'), the Mahjarrat situation was likely more that his promise to them was misleading more than it was empty (i.e. the phrasing was misleading or vague enough to make some Mahjarrat think he meant to free them from the rituals while allowing him to deliver something else that is technically true). This doesn't make his actions any better, but I thought I'd put forth how I see it.

As for the Vampyres and Demons bit, we are given no indication of Zaros making any empty promises to them. Lorwerniel Drakan's dialogue in LoV and his memories in The Old Blood (a lore and history story), Zaros had promised and delivered culture and society. The issue Drakan had with this is that he viewed it as the domestication and weakening of his race.

On the Demon front, we already know what happened there. Zaros promised the Chthonians the secret to traveling between worlds in exchange for some demonic legions. It was Hostilius, not Zaros, who altered the contract to give everything to the eldest signatory so he wouldn't have to give up anything. I'd also like to point out that it was the Avernic (whom Zaros promised nothing) that rebelled, not the Chthonians.

One last thing, Zaros, as an earlier creation of Mah, is functionally the Mahjarrat's older brother.

09-Dec-2016 17:01:05

Hguoh

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On topic: the two statements don't contradict one another.

There are a couple of ways to assess this without contradiction.

For one, it could be a matter of time. Note that the first statement uses the terms 'saw' and 'sought.' As such, it could very well be that this was his opinion of them when he first became aware of their existence. On the other hand, the second statement uses the term 'are' which would indicate that it was his opinion of them at that particular point in time.

For two, it could simply be that they both apply simultaneously. In other words, he seeks to protect them, but recognizes that their 'tendency' to align with and serve the most powerful being around (a culture which finds its origins before they ever left Freneskae). This could even lend credence to Zamorak's opinions of stagnation as Zaros could very well have been trying to (for a lack of a better term) 'civilize' them much like he did the vampyres.

For three, given how he was introduced to the Mahjarrat, it could very well be that having them serve as mercenaries was his way of protecting them. He made them a ritual marker so that they could renew their energies rather than just bleed out their power and die, and granted them positions within his empire to exercise their individual tendencies and abilities with reasonable safety (ex: Sliske became head of the secret police, Zamorak led the armies, Azzanadra led the bureaucracy, and Kharshai served as Inquistor and Tribunus (acting as a go between for the three groups)).

There simply is no contradiction of truthes here.

09-Dec-2016 17:28:30

Voraiya
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What did ya expect?

He promise changes but changes his promise. Kinda of like Obama. Lol

If you are a godless he will note that you are a member of the godless. Don't need to fear him. He can help godless achieve their goal. etc etc etc.

As for me, I think he's just talking his ass off when he claim he create another barrier and banish all the gods like Guthix did. If he did had that power? Wouldn't it made sense if he done it in the Second Age first?

09-Dec-2016 17:29:27

Hguoh

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Voraiya said :
What did ya expect?

He promise changes but changes his promise. Kinda of like Obama. Lol

If you are a godless he will note that you are a member of the godless. Don't need to fear him. He can help godless achieve their goal. etc etc etc.

As for me, I think he's just talking his ass off when he claim he create another barrier and banish all the gods like Guthix did. If he did had that power? Wouldn't it made sense if he done it in the Second Age first?


Ah but what promises did he make? I saw none.

Rather, he just told you what he 'could' do, not what he 'would' do, or what he 'wanted' to do.

As for the barrier bit, both his actions and his words indicate that he wants powerful beings, including gods, to follow/serve him. Kinda hard to do that if he traps them all on the other side of a bubble (not to mention that it would make him into a massive target for all the followers of the other gods).

Again, he 'can' do it, but he openly admits that he wouldn't want to take that route.

09-Dec-2016 17:35:11

SwedishPagns

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Voraiya said :
What did ya expect?

He promise changes but changes his promise. Kinda of like Obama. Lol.


Haha!

I thought I was the only one thinking that!

What does that make Zamorak then, being the guy who brought Zaros down and ya know, succeeded him?

*puts on red (<--Zamorak's colour) Make Mahjarrats Great Again hat*
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09-Dec-2016 18:49:52 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2016 18:56:30 by SwedishPagns

Wahisietel
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Of course he was lying, why would you trust Zaros saying he wasn't lying? He literally praises every single faction during that sequence. Including Zamorak - the guy who he literally attempts to kill in Children of Mah. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

09-Dec-2016 20:35:05

Voraiya
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Wahisietel said :
Of course he was lying, why would you trust Zaros saying he wasn't lying? He literally praises every single faction during that sequence. Including Zamorak - the guy who he literally attempts to kill in Children of Mah.


Don't forget his own mother too.

09-Dec-2016 20:55:44

Hazeel

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Hguoh said :
Ah but what promises did he make? I saw none.

Rather, he just told you what he 'could' do, not what he 'would' do, or what he 'wanted' to do.


That's enough to get you out of a contract, but not enough to make the other party feel like they weren't scammed out of a deal.
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09-Dec-2016 21:25:26 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2016 21:37:27 by Hazeel

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Double Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

09-Dec-2016 21:25:27 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2016 21:36:50 by Hazeel

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