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William Witt

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*EDIT: Oh yeah! SPOILERS FOR THE WORLD WAKES FOLLOW! WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!*

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It might be that Aeonisig Raispher's primary motive wasn't to avoid conflict with Morytania, but to make the king think action ought to be taken against the Edicts of Guthix.

Hence, now that the Edicts are out of the way and Saradomin is back, Raispher may be less obstructive to a war against Drakan/Morytania.

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The Asgarnian ale must flow.

06-Mar-2013 08:14:33 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2013 08:18:33 by William Witt

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I agree with Kittyphantom. Aeonisig was probably just being realistic as advisers should be.

Going back to the events of TWW, was Fiara the only character that could have died depending on the actions of the player? In either case, Mod Ana seems to have a taste for searing our consciences with the deaths of others. I fear for the Myreque personnel!

As another aside, what did Kharshai have to do with TWW?

06-Mar-2013 14:47:03

Balustan

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Who ever said Kharshai ever had anything to do with TWW? That was all player speculation. Since it sounds like they decided to add something about Kharshai in like November I'm sure it was never the plan. I do expect him to play a role in future now though.

Thaerisk can also die. I do like how Mod Ana kills people off depending on our actions. It would be a nice fit to the Myreque though hopefully it is kept to the lesser members of the Myreque as all of the main members deserve deaths across all players if at all. We are due a death in the Myreque though. I would like to see other similar consequences not being just character dying though.

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06-Mar-2013 15:18:55

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William Witt

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X Pur3 04, perhaps you misunderstand me - My thing *does* acknowlede the idea of him being 'manipulative' or something (indeed, I remember seeing a video/videos in... past months, perhaps, that may have made this possibility appear quite possible. I think Veliaf said that it sounded like politics to him) - but see what I said. {EDIT: And Veliaf may not have been the only factor in it seeming quite possible.}

'but to make the king think action ought to be taken against the Edicts of Guthix.'

That wasn't a typo. I *did* mean action taken against the Edicts. As in, I don't mean violating the Edicts, I mean taking action against the Edicts themselves. Do you understand what I'm saying?

The Asgarnian ale must flow.

06-Mar-2013 18:27:39 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2013 18:29:18 by William Witt

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Loud and clear.

06-Mar-2013 22:41:03

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2005

A Mad Hatter

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"Going back to the events of TWW, was Fiara the only character that could have died depending on the actions of the player? In either case, Mod Ana seems to have a taste for searing our consciences with the deaths of others. I fear for the Myreque personnel!"
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Wait, you mean you could lose people in that quest? I somehow ended up with everyone going to the "right" place, so I didn't know that.

But yeah, I can see similar ideas working their way into the Myreque line. It would be almost anticlimatic if we went up against supposedly one of the biggest threats in rs' backstory and came out with everyone in one piece

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07-Mar-2013 04:43:28

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2005

A Mad Hatter

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""It might be that Aeonisig Raispher's primary motive wasn't to avoid conflict with Morytania, but to make the king think action ought to be taken against the Edicts of Guthix.

Hence, now that the Edicts are out of the way and Saradomin is back, Raispher may be less obstructive to a war against Drakan/Morytania."
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I get the feeling my last post didn't make much sense for some reason. I'm blaming english being my second language for that atm, so maybe this time will work better.

First off, I agree with what you said, kitty. It may be that Raispher is less obstructive to a war now that the edicts are out of the way, but my main concern was centering more along the zamorakian/saradominist conspiracy that was originally stated to get around the edicts. But thanks to TWW, the edicts are no longer an issue.

So, quick recap:

~Conspiracy with saradomin and zamorak agents was originally meant to remove or get around the edicts and start a war between morytania and misthalin.

~Edicts are no longer an issue.

Sound right so far? It should. But yet, there's a small matter that's been bothering me since that encounter. Namely, Zaromark Sliver and Fistandantilus. If that doesn't mean anything, here's a small factoid I've found a while back:

Fistandantilus is the name of a mage character from a dragonlance book that either ascended to godhood, or got real close to doing so. I forget which off the top of my head.

Sounds too crazy? If it does, consider the fact that now that the edicts are gone, a war can easily be started between the 2 nations, which would fulfill the group's original goals, correct?

But, that seems too easy for a seemingly major yet minor plot thread. why would Saradominists and Zamorakians be working together to pit 2 nations against each other? The nations themselves are essentially saradominist territories vs what's believed to be zamorakian territory in the first place, so wouldn't that put the group at odds with each other in the long run?

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07-Mar-2013 04:51:43 - Last edited on 07-Mar-2013 05:20:47 by A Mad Hatter

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2005

A Mad Hatter

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So, here's the recap so far for sanity's sake.

~Edicts are gone. War can start as the conspiracy originally intended, but as of yet we have no clue that the greater world at large is aware of the edicts being nullified.

~If a war were to start, the members of the group may or may not be placed at opposing ends of the conflict due to their loyalties. I say may or may not, because it could easily turn out the (supposedly, human) zamorakians know full well the fates that await them under vampyre rule.

~One of the named characters in the conspirator's group is coincidentally named after a character from another setting that has ascended to near godhood (or total godhood, I forget which at this point) already.

So that brings me to one of the last points: for the longest time I've also been suspicious of Raispher because of his role in the Varrock court. He might be a simple advisor, but he could easily be in with the conspiracy, which puts him in a prime position to either manipulate Roald to the conspirator's real ends, or if Roald starts becoming a little reluctant to do what the group wants, remove or control him by magical means.

Now all that remains is just what the group really wants if it's not really war between the 2 nations. Yes, they could very well want a fight on their hands, but a war is also the perfect cover for....more shady operations, thanks to the chaos war naturally brings.

My theory? Could be that Fistandantilus is actually running the conspiracy and is gunning for godhood himself. But yet, we don't know too much about him, so we have to take that with a grain of salt.

But what other group can benefit from a war? Saradomin and presumably Zamorak/Drakan both stand to lose a lot if the war goes wrong. But the Zarosians seem perfectly suited to take advantage of the situation, and truth be told this sort of thing seems right up their alley*

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07-Mar-2013 05:03:05 - Last edited on 07-Mar-2013 05:05:02 by A Mad Hatter

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2005

A Mad Hatter

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So, to bring my original post back into this theory:

Zarosians can't act outright because of their numbers and less than stellar reputation in some circles. So that leaves hiding in the shadows and masquerading as followers of other gods in the meantime, which brings me back to my original statement in a way.

Let's say we tell Roald that the edicts are gone and the army can be sent over. Assuming he doesn't know about the death of TWW, all Raispher would have to do is tell Roald we're crazy and know nothing of the edicts because of any random reason, and he might be able to get away with it.

That's assuming Raispher doesn't want a war yet for whatever reason. Could be timing of the matter, or maybe there's royal resources that would suit a conspiracy much better if they were to slowly disappear over time.

But if he does want a war? It would be easier to either wait until Drakan or Zamorak make the first move, and all of a sudden have one of Saradomin's "devout followers" call him to the world in response. That way, the other nations who might intervene stay out of the conflict because if the edicts are believed to be around still, they might face the wrath of guthix if they interfere with the natural order of things.

And if the guthixians themselves get involved? Well, it wouldn't be the first time a group of Zarosians were caught masquerading as another god's followers, right?

So, that's about as much as I can think of clarifying at this point. Sorry for the long posts and seemingly random rambling (I'm tired at this point. sue me x_X ), so by all means feel free to tear a load of holes into my theory. I know there's probably a lot of them somewhere around here >_>

*wanders off to bed*

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07-Mar-2013 05:15:23

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First thing, your written English is excellent by anyone's standard, A Mad Hatter. Now, to your theory.

"But, that seems too easy for a seemingly major yet minor plot thread. why would Saradominists and Zamorakians be working together to pit 2 nations against each other? The nations themselves are essentially saradominist territories vs what's believed to be zamorakian territory in the first place, so wouldn't that put the group at odds with each other in the long run?"

Yes, but this happened during TWW as well. The Saradominists and Zamorakians put their differences aside in order to get rid of the Edicts. Neither side is happy with the current deadlock, so they might as well work together to get out of it. Once that happens, they will go to war again as each side believes in its cause. It's a little bit like how the USA and co. remained allied to the Soviets toward the end of WW2 knowing that they will be opposed once the Axis powers had been defeated. Until then, they might as well work together to get the job done in the most efficient manner, but there was still a race to Berlin going on between them.

"I say may or may not, because it could easily turn out the (supposedly, human) zamorakians know full well the fates that await them under vampyre rule."

Good point, but these particular Zamorakian humans probably don't align themselves with the rest of humanity and are propably working for their own reward.

Raispher: It's worth remembering that it was the king who was eager for war while Raispher was reluctant about it. In the end, he obeyed the king's orders to undermine the Edicts, but it is his duty to obey. Of course, Raispher could just be putting on a show to make us think this, but it is sometimes possible to over-analyse a situation and come to the wrong conclusion as a result.

07-Mar-2013 10:04:42

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