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Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
I'm saying that, assuming you're right, it still wouldn't result in the effects the OP suggests/desires. Obviously not, it's a point totally removed from the topic of the thread.

Hguoh said :
That being said, I still express skepticism as to whether or not the voice Drakan heard was a result of Zaros's aura or not. The key part being that it didn't appear to induce any degree of loyalty (the key signifier of Zaros's aura). If anything, it drove Drakan to disobey what he believed Zaros would want.

If anything, I'd say that the voice was representative of Drakan struggling with his own internal conflict between being 'civilized' (Zaros introduced the concept to him, so it would make sense that it'd be his voice) and staying true to his nature. Your skepticism is warranted, I was just pointing out that the Seren comparisons were illogical.

And frankly it makes more sense for the voices to be a remnant of Zaros' influence, otherwise you have three separate characters experiencing hallucinations for unrelated internal reasons... which is pretty fucking dumb. The fact that the voices didn't compel loyalty is hardly a slam dunk against the theory, anyway; either the three of them were too strong-willed to be affected in that way, or perhaps the aura's withdrawal doesn't have that effect in the first place. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

31-Mar-2017 01:27:19

Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
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It's worth noting that Zamorak and Drakan apparently began hearing the voice either prior to the coup's completion or shortly thereafter (given Zamorak's statement that that it would be the first and last time that he'd expect Drakan to kneel to him in his explanation to Drakan about hearing the voice).

Depending on when the events in the Old Blood occurred (immediately prior to the coup or when Zammy was conquering Senntisten), it could very well be an example of withdrawal or just an example of the aura's effects fading after removing the source (which is less akin to withdrawal and more like coming down from being high). But that's getting a bit off track.

Back on track, Azzanadra didn't start hearing Zaros's voice until after he attempted to establish the communion portal at Senntisten, which doesn't quite match with the implication that Zammy's been experiencing these effects prior to that point (how else would he know about what Drakan would/was experiencing) when they'd all been separated from Zaros for a similar period of time (due to Zaros traveling the planes and withdrawing from the empire.

It's by no means a disproval of it being a symptom of withdrawal from the aura, but I'm hesitant to label it as such (especially since we have no indication that other former members of the empire experienced that symptom).

Edit: There's also not much consistency between what each of their voices wanted (potentially it's what each of them believed Zaros would have wanted them to do). We don't know about Zamorak's, but we do know that Drakan's advocated he be more civilized, while Azzanadra's advocated for revenge on the invading gods and their forces.

31-Mar-2017 04:37:25 - Last edited on 31-Mar-2017 04:52:11 by Hguoh

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Just a thought:

Zaros has the ability to leave his body to avoid death. Apparently Seren also has this ability. It has been put forward that Guthix may also have eventually achieved this ability as he ascended the ranks of godhood. I'm just wondering why if certain Tier-2 exclusive abilities are gained upon reaching this level, why any of the Tier-2 exclusive abilities couldn't be (at least until proven otherwise!)?

15-Apr-2017 07:04:31

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Bloodcount said :
Just a thought:

Zaros has the ability to leave his body to avoid death. Apparently Seren also has this ability. It has been put forward that Guthix may also have eventually achieved this ability as he ascended the ranks of godhood. I'm just wondering why if certain Tier-2 exclusive abilities are gained upon reaching this level, why any of the Tier-2 exclusive abilities couldn't be (at least until proven otherwise!)?

I imagine leaving his body might be something he'd be capable of -- not that we know of any time he would've used this power, given how he wanted to die when Sliske killed him.

Having thought about it though, I don't think he would be able to have an aura in the same manner as Zaros & Seren. That's a very specific thing Mah bestowed upon them, not just coming with the T2 power set.
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15-Apr-2017 12:21:22 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2017 12:21:38 by Questcaping

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The thread is no longer available, but in the BTS thread for The World Wakes, a JMod had specifically said that Guthix (by ascending so far) had gained the ability to leave his body had he wanted to...he just didn't want to.

17-Apr-2017 00:37:30

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