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Hguoh

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Again: Even if Guthix had an aura, you are still missing the binding of souls that actually causes the addiction.

So unless somebody started jamming the crystals into themselves for some other reason, nobody's going to be feeling withdrawal symptoms. Because, again, the aura is not what caused the addiction.

18-Mar-2017 04:35:40

Bloodcount

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I forget the part about Zaros and Seren jamming each other's crystals into each other, but there's an aura there. And the elves were definitely bound in a unique way, but similar effects could be conceivable if you spent a large amount of time inside a giant maelstrom of a dead god's life force.

18-Mar-2017 18:47:47

Hguoh

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Ah, but the effects Seren and Zaros had on each other faded over time once separated without apparent withdrawal symptoms (Seren had to wean the elves off of her due to their symptoms).

And that is the key difference between the general effects of their auras and full blown addiction cation. And that difference is important because the former only requires proxmity (what BoL crater would classify as), while the latter requires a soul binding. And, again, only the latter has notable long term side effects (the former simply fades away after leaving the area of effect).

We can see this by observing Angof and Seren. Angof is addicted to Seren, and despite being born after she left and millennia of Seren's absence can't help but to love Seren. On the other hand, Seren was able to oppose Zaros when the latter was leaving despite the devotion to him his aura would have caused by the immediate proximity. More pertinently, there is no evidence of either her or Zaros feeling any withdrawal effects after their separation.

Without soul binding or somebody willingly becoming dependent on the tears' power (by jamming them into themselves), you lack any conditions for combatants becoming addicted to Guthix's supposed aura.

19-Mar-2017 01:19:11

Bloodcount

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Isn't the entire point of Zaros not wanting to start a new empire, that his aura caused a level of control (or connection) to his followers. It seems reading through all of that the effect slowly diminishes over times. Guthix wasn't a god of control, so I feel that his hypothetical aura could be of a slightly different variety?

Thoughts?

22-Mar-2017 20:31:06

Raleirosen

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Bloodcount said :
Isn't the entire point of Zaros not wanting to start a new empire, that his aura caused a level of control (or connection) to his followers. No, the point of Zaros not wanting another empire is because it wouldn't be useful to him.

As for the effect diminishing over time... I don't think there's enough lore to say for certain. Also, Zaros' aura (like Seren's) is the result of him being a child of Mah, not being T2. I doubt Guthix had anything similar going on.

Edit: I actually forgot that Zaros specifically brings up the aura as a reason against a second empire, thanks to Hguoh for the correction... of course I think that reason is bullshit, but it's worth mentioning either way. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

22-Mar-2017 20:43:14 - Last edited on 22-Mar-2017 21:12:32 by Raleirosen

Hguoh

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Bloodcount said :
Isn't the entire point of Zaros not wanting to start a new empire, that his aura caused a level of control (or connection) to his followers. It seems reading through all of that the effect slowly diminishes over times. Guthix wasn't a god of control, so I feel that his hypothetical aura could be of a slightly different variety?

Thoughts?

Zaros claims that part of the reason he doesn't want to do another Empire is because he doesn't like the effects his aura has on mortals. Raleirosen points out the other big reason he brings up.

But, again, that's not the same as the elves' addiction to Seren. As shown with Zaros's withdrawal from the Empire, the general effects of his aura (and presumably Seren's) fade relatively quickly with time.

The elves' addiction to Seren, however, has yet to fade even when it comes to the elves left on Tarddiad who have been left behind (Angof admits that she should hate Seren, but can't help but love her). Keep in mind, these are eves who were left with only the most minute traces of Seren's presence, far less than the elves on Gielinor (and for a longer period of time as well since Seren didn't shatter herself until the end of the 3rd age).

Beyond that, the addicted elves rather clearly exhibit withdrawal symptoms in Seren's absence, whereas ex-members of the Zarosian Empire did not, even after Zaros was 'killed' and returned to Freneskae.

Again: no soul binding or people willingly becoming dependent on the gods' power means no addiction and, by effect, no long term effects on those exposed.

22-Mar-2017 21:00:37

Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
Beyond that, the addicted elves rather clearly exhibit withdrawal symptoms in Seren's absence, whereas ex-members of the Zarosian Empire did not, even after Zaros was 'killed' and returned to Freneskae. I don't think the fall of the empire is evidence enough for Zaros' aura fading with time; he was not even present in the empire for a significant period of time, therefore the aura would not have taken hold on many of its citizens.

I suppose it's probably a safe enough assumption to make, though. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

22-Mar-2017 21:17:10

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Hguoh said :
Again: Even if Guthix had an aura, you are still missing the binding of souls that actually causes the addiction.

So unless somebody started jamming the crystals into themselves for some other reason, nobody's going to be feeling withdrawal symptoms. Because, again, the aura is not what caused the addiction.
People are curious and when they see that the crystals are giving the gods power, they might want to experiment with them. NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

24-Mar-2017 10:28:00

Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
Hguoh said :
Beyond that, the addicted elves rather clearly exhibit withdrawal symptoms in Seren's absence, whereas ex-members of the Zarosian Empire did not, even after Zaros was 'killed' and returned to Freneskae. I don't think the fall of the empire is evidence enough for Zaros' aura fading with time; he was not even present in the empire for a significant period of time, therefore the aura would not have taken hold on many of its citizens.

I suppose it's probably a safe enough assumption to make, though.

The Zamorakian Mahjarrat and Kharshai would like to have a bit of a discussion with you about still being loyal to Zaros. Keep in mind, Zaros was pretty hands on with the empire prior to the war with the Menaphites.

24-Mar-2017 10:33:10

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