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Hguoh

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Hguoh said :
Again: Even if Guthix had an aura, you are still missing the binding of souls that actually causes the addiction.

So unless somebody started jamming the crystals into themselves for some other reason, nobody's going to be feeling withdrawal symptoms. Because, again, the aura is not what caused the addiction.
People are curious and when they see that the crystals are giving the gods power, they might want to experiment with them.

Woah, can you jam another of these crystals in my arm, man? I'm coming down a bit from my totally divine high.

24-Mar-2017 10:34:16

Deltaslug

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I think the others are right.

The crystal/energy shards left over from Guthix won't have any effect (let alone the side effects of exposure to Seren)

Now that's not to say there would be 0 after effects from exposure to that kind of raw crystal for an extended period of time.

Is it possible that the crystal shards ended up being the equivalent of divine low-dose uranium:
short term exposure isn't an issue, but those who survived the whole battle AND didn't have the "World Guardian" aspect are destined to die from the equivalents to radiation exposure ...
sure could happen

24-Mar-2017 18:16:36

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Miseryoflife

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Hguoh said :
Bloodcount said :
Isn't the entire point of Zaros not wanting to start a new empire, that his aura caused a level of control (or connection) to his followers. It seems reading through all of that the effect slowly diminishes over times. Guthix wasn't a god of control, so I feel that his hypothetical aura could be of a slightly different variety?

Thoughts?

Zaros claims that part of the reason he doesn't want to do another Empire is because he doesn't like the effects his aura has on mortals. Raleirosen points out the other big reason he brings up.

But, again, that's not the same as the elves' addiction to Seren. As shown with Zaros's withdrawal from the Empire, the general effects of his aura (and presumably Seren's) fade relatively quickly with time.

The elves' addiction to Seren, however, has yet to fade even when it comes to the elves left on Tarddiad who have been left behind (Angof admits that she should hate Seren, but can't help but love her). Keep in mind, these are eves who were left with only the most minute traces of Seren's presence, far less than the elves on Gielinor (and for a longer period of time as well since Seren didn't shatter herself until the end of the 3rd age).

Beyond that, the addicted elves rather clearly exhibit withdrawal symptoms in Seren's absence, whereas ex-members of the Zarosian Empire did not, even after Zaros was 'killed' and returned to Freneskae.

Again: no soul binding or people willingly becoming dependent on the gods' power means no addiction and, by effect, no long term effects on those exposed.

Actually it is known that Draken did experience withdraw symptoms after Zaros' death (see his lore's and histories story). Also it is interesting to point out that he is the only one know to. And he was one of the only beings who didn't originate from Mah to be close to Zaros. Just an interesting tidbit.

Balance within one's self

and

balance within the world

balance must be maintained.

24-Mar-2017 21:16:31 - Last edited on 24-Mar-2017 21:26:09 by Miseryoflife

Hguoh

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Miseryoflife said :
Actually it is known that Draken did experience withdraw symptoms after Zaros' death (see his lore's and histories story). Also it is interesting to point out that he is the only one know to. And he was one of the only beings who didn't originate from Mah to be close to Zaros. Just an interesting tidbit.

He heard Zaros's voice in his head. Of note, Zamorak's dialogue with him alludes to the idea that he too hears Zaros's voice, and Azzanadra started hearing Zaros's voice when the Communion Portal failed.

I'm hesitant to call this a symptom of withdrawal from Zaros's aura, however, for two reasons.

One, it did not appear to induce loyalty (the key factor indicating the influence of his aura (for example, Seren's elves are literally incapable of not loving her)).

Two, there did not appear to be any negative impact on his physiology (like how the elves would die without Seren's presence or some other source of her power).

Even assuming that it is, it does appear to match the symptoms that fade over time without re-exposure to the aura, more than the signs of a the addiction Seren's elves exhibit.

25-Mar-2017 00:39:42 - Last edited on 25-Mar-2017 00:41:19 by Hguoh

Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
One, it did not appear to induce loyalty (the key factor indicating the influence of his aura (for example, Seren's elves are literally incapable of not loving her)).

Two, there did not appear to be any negative impact on his physiology (like how the elves would die without Seren's presence or some other source of her power).

Even assuming that it is, it does appear to match the symptoms that fade over time without re-exposure to the aura, more than the signs of a the addiction Seren's elves exhibit. The Seren comparison doesn't make sense simply because the elves are an extreme case. Zaros never treated any of his subservient races with the same attention and devotion, so it follows that withdrawal from his aura would be different compared to the elves' withdrawal from Seren's. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

25-Mar-2017 05:00:05

Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
Hguoh said :
One, it did not appear to induce loyalty (the key factor indicating the influence of his aura (for example, Seren's elves are literally incapable of not loving her)).

Two, there did not appear to be any negative impact on his physiology (like how the elves would die without Seren's presence or some other source of her power).

Even assuming that it is, it does appear to match the symptoms that fade over time without re-exposure to the aura, more than the signs of a the addiction Seren's elves exhibit. The Seren comparison doesn't make sense simply because the elves are an extreme case. Zaros never treated any of his subservient races with the same attention and devotion, so it follows that withdrawal from his aura would be different compared to the elves' withdrawal from Seren's.

And Guthix's energy treated the combatants with more attention and devotion than Zaros gave his empire? Or was in such a high concentration that it could induce such effects in such a short while (ignoring the fact that Zaros only distanced himself from the Empire after the war with the Menaphites (which apparently happened late in the 2nd age))?

I'm sorry, but it doesn't add up.

28-Mar-2017 03:30:31

Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
And Guthix's energy treated the combatants with more attention and devotion than Zaros gave his empire? Or was in such a high concentration that it could induce such effects in such a short while (ignoring the fact that Zaros only distanced himself from the Empire after the war with the Menaphites (which apparently happened late in the 2nd age))?

I'm sorry, but it doesn't add up. What are you talking about? Guthix? The "combatants"? I was responding to your skepticism regarding hearing Zaros' voice and whether or not that was a symptom of his aura. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

28-Mar-2017 19:10:22 - Last edited on 28-Mar-2017 19:13:10 by Raleirosen

Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
Hguoh said :
And Guthix's energy treated the combatants with more attention and devotion than Zaros gave his empire? Or was in such a high concentration that it could induce such effects in such a short while (ignoring the fact that Zaros only distanced himself from the Empire after the war with the Menaphites (which apparently happened late in the 2nd age))?

I'm sorry, but it doesn't add up. What are you talking about? Guthix? The "combatants"? I was responding to your skepticism regarding hearing Zaros' voice and whether or not that was a symptom of his aura.

The purpose of this thread. The idea that combatants from the Battle of Lumbridge would be feeling withdrawal symptoms due to their exposure to the Divine Tears during the battle.

28-Mar-2017 19:16:31

Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
The purpose of this thread. The idea that combatants from the Battle of Lumbridge would be feeling withdrawal symptoms due to their exposure to the Divine Tears during the battle. What does that have to do with me pointing out that your comparison of Zaros and the effects of his aura on Drakan/Zimzams/Azzy to Seren and the effects of her aura on the elves doesn't make sense? Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

28-Mar-2017 19:19:13 - Last edited on 28-Mar-2017 19:20:01 by Raleirosen

Hguoh

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Raleirosen said :
What does that have to do with me pointing out that your comparison of Zaros and the effects of his aura on Drakan/Zimzams/Azzy to Seren and the effects of her aura on the elves doesn't make sense?

I'm saying that, assuming you're right, it still wouldn't result in the effects the OP suggests/desires.

That being said, I still express skepticism as to whether or not the voice Drakan heard was a result of Zaros's aura or not. The key part being that it didn't appear to induce any degree of loyalty (the key signifier of Zaros's aura). If anything, it drove Drakan to disobey what he believed Zaros would want.

If anything, I'd say that the voice was representative of Drakan struggling with his own internal conflict between being 'civilized' (Zaros introduced the concept to him, so it would make sense that it'd be his voice) and staying true to his nature.

29-Mar-2017 21:37:21 - Last edited on 29-Mar-2017 21:40:05 by Hguoh

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