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Last Prophet

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Sepulchre said :
Last Prophet said :
Sepulchre said :
I always just assumed that Chaos Druids were like Druids, except they followed Zamorak...

But how boring would that be? :/ Not EVERYTHING is interestingly deep in lore, y'know. Everything just has a lore explanation.

I've never thought of Zamorak (or his followers, for that matter) as having any particular interest in tending to wildlife or living the clichéd "hippie" lifestyle of the druids.

I think my take on it was far more interesting ;P

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12-Jul-2016 06:47:17 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2016 06:48:15 by Last Prophet

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ZAmorakZaros

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So... you are the father of the chaos druids' way of thinking? Well then the answer is simple. You just did not think about those other groups until now NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

12-Jul-2016 19:18:11

Last Prophet

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Well then the answer is simple. You just did not think about those other groups until now

Okay, so here's the thing:

I think maybe I've been talking about this as if had any real power to draw the other groups into the story. The truth is, the competition's scope was limited only to the Taverly dungeon's bunch of chaos druids.

While headcanon, I'd like to believe that these other groups share in Urval's succession. As I see it, we can build reasonably upon what we know and, as long as it doesn't violate previously-established canon, who is to say we're wrong? I do, after all, have at least a little creative authority, here.

And who knows? J-mods are known to pop in from time to time. Maybe they could confirm some things ;P

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12-Jul-2016 22:40:55 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2016 22:43:33 by Last Prophet

Ancient Drew

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How about this for a Zamorakian way of farming? Grow a plant, take the fruits or anything else of value save for a few seeds, and burn the rest. The ashes of the old plant would fertilise the allotment meaning no need for compost, and the seeds would grow on it straight away. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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12-Jul-2016 22:48:34

Last Prophet

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Ancient Drew said :
How about this for a Zamorakian way of farming? Grow a plant, take the fruits or anything else of value save for a few seeds, and burn the rest. The ashes of the old plant would fertilise the allotment meaning no need for compost, and the seeds would grow on it straight away.

That is so very Zamorakian of them.

I didn't mean to exclude all Zamorakians from farming--my apologies if it came across that way. I was simply trying to say that Zamorakians don't seem the borderline arborphilic types that druids are. Sure, they can probably grow some mean cabbages, but I highly doubt they have any real custodial obligations for the forests and its wild inhabitants.

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12-Jul-2016 22:52:41 - Last edited on 12-Jul-2016 22:58:32 by Last Prophet

AttilaSquare

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I like this discussion. I'm working on something that could link up with this - something which addresses the history behind the mystic robes, the fire warrior of Lesarkus in the Temple of Ikov, and the mystics from Stealing Creation. None of them have any lore, and - in agreement with the comment above on creative license - I'd like to see lorehounds take a very prominent role in the development of lore, especially concerning such obscure pieces of the game.

While the following posts might appear to highjack the thread, I hope they're entertaining, and I do relate them to your thoughts at the end, and I don't think they need to interrupt the discussion otherwise.

14-Jul-2016 02:45:04

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My own project, for almost ten years, has been to develop RuneScape's planar theory, magic theory, and other esoteric and theoretical components of the lore. Last fall, I also wrote a long backstory for Ikov, exploring ancient sorcery. This year I've kind of run two projects together: a whole series of stories, poems, and histories as a cultural heritage for Armadylean Kandarin and an accompanying history of magical disciplines.

The latter involves an account of human sorcery from the early ages (already written but not yet posted - speculative but not really headcannon). More speculatively, I propose that a new era of magic eclipsed sorcery during the late 2nd age and dominated among humans until the end of the 4th age. This isn't totally headcannon either: sorcery involves attending to (mostly invisible) spirits - likely the most powerful forces known to humans (besides Seren and her elves) after Guthix's departure; but as the 2nd age progressed powerful gods arrived on Gielinor - it would make sense that humans' concept of magic would change as a consequence. I'm developing this new era of magic under the name of mysticism. The last era of magic is that of our modern runic magics of the 5th and 6th ages.

Anyway, as headcannon, I propose that mysticism was developed in seven schools throughout the main continent of Gielinor, the origins of most of which link up to my headcannon Epic of Ikov . These are as follows:

14-Jul-2016 02:45:22

AttilaSquare

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The Ancient School of Muh - The first school of mysticism was founded among the Menaphites by the legendary sorceror Muh - of whom we know little - under the rule of Tumeken. It still lives on in the department of metaphysics at the University of Menaphos.

The School of Streit - Streit was the name of a town destroyed by the dragon Garak in the 4th age. It traces its history, as well as its tradition of mysticism, back to the remnant of an ancient nation which survived the Zarosian destruction of the city of Aidos upon the eastern slopes of Ice Mountain - see some of its history preserved in verse here and here , and here . The school perished along with the town of the same name.

The Fremennik School - This school was founded among the Fremennik and the outlanders whom they had welcomed into their ranks when they were visited by Armadyl and Ikov in the 2nd age. It drew its teachings from first-hand accounts of outlanders of their journey with Armadyl and Ikov. The school endured until the division between the mainland Fremennik and the Moon Clan - its traditional robes can still be found in the Fremennik slayer dungeon.

The School of Lesarkus - Lesarkus was elected as the first successor to Ikov, and he founded the Armadylean school of mysticism. This thrived throughout the Armadylean lands, especially in the regions of modern-day Ardougne and Yanille. (I'm working on a story about its legacy in Yanille). This disappeared after Armadyl's departure from Gielinor, so that even the Guardians of Armadyl know little of it. (This gives a little explanation for the name Fire Warrior of Lesarkus.)

14-Jul-2016 02:45:46 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2016 03:04:33 by AttilaSquare

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The Academic School - This Saradominist school was founded in the 3rd age and modeled itself after the other, older schools. After Armadyl's departure, it quickly established its headquarters in Yanille, covering over the heritage of the School of Lesarkus. The modern-day Mage Guild is its descendant. While the practice of mysticism has all but disappeared since the discovery of runic magics, the Mage Guild still sells the traditional mystic robes, if only as a reminder of its long history, i.e. so that its prestige might not be eclipsed by the younger and more successful Wizard's Tower in Misthalin.

The Zamorakian School - Little is known of this school; perhaps it has been replaced by the ZMI. It was probably also modeled after the older schools, and its last headquarters was in the Slayer Tower of Morytania, where its robes might be found. Apparently its members had a keen interest in interdimensional portals - it is likely that this knowledge was lost, since the ZMI show only a rudimentary understanding of interplanar travel.

The Neo-Mystical School - This newly founded school draws recruits from multiple races and has set itself the goal of providing bodies for the revenants which linger from the time of the Godwars. They have discovered the Primordial Realm and invite adventurers to help them gather sacred clay. While the head mystic claims to have insight into the connections among the planes, it is unclear whether this new movement really resembles the ancient schools. The mystics' camp lies very near to where Aidos and Streit once stood; the new mystics claim to carry on the legacy of the School of Streit.

14-Jul-2016 02:46:10 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2016 22:18:24 by AttilaSquare

AttilaSquare

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Obviously this is almost entirely headcannon. But it fits into a larger set of headcannon stories which I think clarify and deepen dozens of aspects of the current lore, and hardly contradict any of it. So I hope that one day I might be able to propose it to the Jmods.

Additionally, I hope they'll consider adding a few more sets of mystic robes. We already have Saradomin and Zamorak themed robes. The white mystic robes were perhaps meant to relate to Guthix, but since they are found among the Fremennik it might be argued that they are linked with no gods in particular; rather the Fremennik honored Guthix, Armadyl, V, and perhaps others. The robes of the School of Lesarkus would simply be another set with Armadyl's colors.

I hope the last three sets would be different. The robes of the School of Muh should look extremely impressive - as heavy and ornate as the sacred robes of a many millennia old desert people should be - in Menaphite colors. Likewise the robes of the School of Streit - as intense and as complex as befitting a remnant which has survived millennia in hiding, first from a decadent and oppressive empire and then from ages of brutal warfare - in dark greens and purples. Finally, the robes of the new mystics should probably be the least impressive, like the beggar's clothes they currently wear - ragged brown or thin, ghostly gray.

EDIT: Why there is no Zarosian school is also something I'd like to explore.

Finally, this has outlined a little history for the region of Yanille. I hope to develop a lot more of it in a coming story - likely involving a sorceress and her husband who is a mystic of the School of Lesarkus. They will need to defend a fortified town on Armadyl's southern frontier against various evils summoned by the ogre shamans of Bandos which the shamans themselves can no longer control. While this story is set in the 3rd age, its legacy might certainly attract followers of Urval to the region.

14-Jul-2016 02:46:33 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2016 16:00:30 by AttilaSquare

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