RuneScape Forum Archive | Losing and Gaining Power?

Raleirosen

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Hazeel said :
Weakened or not, She's still hundreds of thousands times more powerful than a Tier 2. How do you take in 10% of that and not reach even Tier 2 status? I would guess that, in Mah's weakened state, it would be 100-1000 times more powerful, not 100k+. And you're not taking into account the power gap between a regular Mahjarrat and a T2, which is probably in the same ballpark as "hundreds of thousands of times," if not more so. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Dec-2016 08:19:42 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 08:20:27 by Raleirosen

Hazeel

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Raleirosen said :
Hazeel said :
Weakened or not, She's still hundreds of thousands times more powerful than a Tier 2. How do you take in 10% of that and not reach even Tier 2 status? I would guess that, in Mah's weakened state, it would be 100-1000 times more powerful, not 100k+. And you're not taking into account the power gap between a regular Mahjarrat and a T2, which is probably in the same ballpark as "hundreds of thousands of times," if not more so.

1) It still begs the question how you could obtain power that is a vast multiplier of a Tier 2 and still not be at that level.

2) Not sure what point you're trying to make. I'm not saying they should be stronger than Zaros now, just stronger than he was before. I mean I hate to bring power levels into this, but if you have the Mahjarrat at 100, Zaros at 1,000,000 and Mah 1000,000,000 split into ten, you would have the Mahjarrat at 100,000,100 which is much greater than Zaros' initial state. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

17-Dec-2016 08:46:21 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 08:46:48 by Hazeel

Raleirosen

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Hazeel said :
1) It still begs the question how you could obtain power that is a vast multiplier of a Tier 2 and still not be at that level. In Mah's case it's not as vast a multiplier as you're making it out to be, was my point.
Hazeel said :
2) Not sure what point you're trying to make. I'm not saying they should be stronger than Zaros now, just stronger than he was before. I mean I hate to bring power levels into this, but if you have the Mahjarrat at 100, Zaros at 1,000,000 and Mah 1000,000,000 split into ten, you would have the Mahjarrat at 100,000,100 which is much greater than Zaros' initial state. Eugh, math. Regardless, unless I'm way off I don't think Jagex is going to have unascended Mahjarrat with power levels equivalent to that of T2-3 gods walking around in their fictional universe.

Assuming you're right, we could see Khazard duking it out with Saradomin in Endgame. Or Akthanakos dropkicking Armadyl straight back to Abbinah. The Zamorakian Mahjarrat alone could obliterate pretty much any opposing force in the game, short of Zaros/Seren/Elders. I just can't see that happening, man. It doesn't make any storytelling sense for them to have gained that much power. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Dec-2016 12:20:55 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 12:27:38 by Raleirosen

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SixOfOne

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Hazeel, I don't think this is something you can quantify into arbitrary numbers. We simply don't know enough to be able to say that Mah is X times more powerful than Zaros who is X times more powerful than the Mahjarrat. The specifics of the God tiers aren't dependent on power, instead on the Gods abilities to do things, which is partly dependent on power and partly on whether they are connected to anima.

It is incredibly unlikely that the Mahjarrat are all suddenly as powerful as Saradomin or Zaros as it would be stupid in so many ways if that was true. The way I view the situation is that nothing much has actually changed apart from Seren has lost some power and everyone else has gained some. Zaros and Seren are still T2 gods, Zamorak is still T4 although higher up most likely. The Mahjarrat are more powerful than they were, but the ranking between them is practically unchanged. Azzanadra is still the most powerful mahjarrat. Bilrach, Zemouregal, Kharshai, Wahisietel and Hazeel below that. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

17-Dec-2016 12:23:06 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 12:25:42 by SixOfOne

Raleirosen

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SixOfOne said :
Hazeel, I don't think this is something you can quantify into arbitrary numbers. We simply don't know enough to be able to say that Mah is X times more powerful than Zaros who is X times more powerful than the Mahjarrat. Actually we do know that the Elders are at the very least one order of magnitude greater than Zaros/Seren and the ascended gods, who are in turn at least one order of magnitude greater than mortals.

In fact, in that sense Hazelnut and I agree that post-CoM, the Mahjarrat occupy the same group as the young gods; I just think they're closer to the lower tiers (probably 6-7, maybe 5 at maximum) rather than way up there at 2-3, as Hazeel claims. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Dec-2016 12:52:31 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 12:54:22 by Raleirosen

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ZAmorakZaros

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Raleirosen said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
a crippled, nearly braindead elder god/11= Still a lot Fixed that for ya. But yeah, whatever power Zamoramadingdong lost/gave up during CoM, he certainly got back. He might even rival Saradomin now.

As for everyone else... I dunno, they're probably all ultra-badasses or something. An interesting possibility would be if all of the Mahjarrat ascended to godhood (or at least demigodhood); then our fabulous World Guardian powers would work on them.

Also, the ending scene implies that Seren could've obliterated all of the Mahjarrat anyway. So whether or not she gained power from the ritual, it's safe to say she wasn't weakened too much.
Pretty sure theat braindead god could still have killed us all... And I am pretty sure comparing tier two god to some powered mahjarrats is pretty much like comparing Sun to Pluto. How does the tier system work anyways? Is every tier twice as strong as the previous one? Certainly not with tier one and two. Maybe there more like at least 10x as strong as the previous tier? NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

17-Dec-2016 16:18:48

Hazeel

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Do I think Jagex actually made the Mahjarrat as powerful as Tier 2s? Probably not, but that would be very interesting from a story perspective to have all these old characters rival the Gods in power and not be affected by WG status, which could create some pretty cool situations. Not to mention it begs the question of what the Godless should do with situations like this.

Does it seem logical for them to be this powerful? From my point of view, yes. From a lore perspective they should at least be this powerful unless Jagex has really been overstating the Elder's power (including Mah's). It wouldn't make sense for the Mahjarrat to be below Tier 3 powerwise at this point....then again it doesn't make sense for Zamorak to lose two tiers over tripping, so I can see them ignoring logic here.

EDIT: Then again, their potential after this ritual was described as infinite, so who knows? Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

17-Dec-2016 16:52:29 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 17:24:44 by Hazeel

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SixOfOne

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I still feel that people are making assumptions without enough information. We have no idea how much more powerful than Zaros Mah was at the time of her death. We don't know if the power was shared evenly. We don't know where the Mahjarrat stand in comparison to the Gods.

If we're throwing around random numbers then a situation like this would make the most sense to me. Let's presume Mah is draining a certain percentage of the CoMs power. Both Zaros and Zamorak are more powerful than the Mahjarrat so lose more, but this has a lesser effect on them than it does the Mahjarrat as they have more to begin with. Then, when Mah dies as Zaros and Zamorak are close to the heart of the ritual then they get what they lost and more. The same happens to the Mahjarrat who gain less each than the Gods. What this leaves is a situation where everyone has been empowered but the gaps between each individual is more or less unchanged. Like a lot of the speculation in this thread though this is completely hypothetical.

In my opinion, it would be idiotic for Jagex to make the Mahjarrat as strong as the actual Gods and it is incredibly unlikely that they have been made that strong. I can see them being closer now to Icthlarin and Amascut, but any stronger than that would ruin part of the immersion for me. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

17-Dec-2016 18:01:59 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 18:10:08 by SixOfOne

Raleirosen

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Hazeel said :
Does it seem logical for them to be this powerful? From my point of view, yes. From a lore perspective they should at least be this powerful unless Jagex has really been overstating the Elder's power (including Mah's). Given the extent of Mah's decline, I don't think there's any inconsistency.

Hazeel said :
EDIT: Then again, their potential after this ritual was described as infinite, so who knows? I don't remember anyone saying that; as I recall, Azzanadra mentioned not being able to sense a ceiling to his power. That would just mean that they've become so powerful that they're no longer aware of their limitations. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Dec-2016 19:05:00

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I think Zaros and the Mahjarrat gained power but Zamorak only reclaimed the power he expanded trying to overwhelm Zaros. I noticed he didn't regrow his wings after being empowered.

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17-Dec-2016 19:20:36

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