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Draco Burnz
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Excirialis said :


I think i understand the concept, but what is it supposed to achieve? Provided i understand your proposal correctly, your intent is to have worlds that use the 2007 snapshop of Runescape that OSRS was based on, without any further updates or modifications to it?

Let's say they create these worlds - then what? Ignoring for a second that this would require maintaining multiple full code bases for a mode that has a very limited draw, where would this concept be a couple of years from now? Players will start on these worlds, eventually max an account, collect all gear and then face the situation there is nothing left to do because no new content is ever added. And when there is nothing left to do, players leave.

The same thing occurs in OSRS. Whenever a larger content update is dropped player interest will temporally peak and players that stopped playing will return (At least for some time) to check the new content.

So, if OSRS is dying (A term i wouldn't use at all for a game that has 86k active players at the moment, but sure), wouldn't this separate mode be pretty much the definition of "Dead on Arrival"?

Exactly.

A game w/o any updates is literally a dead game as theres only so much one can do before getting bored.

Hence why games get updates.

So how would jagex make any profit off this in the long run and keep ppl interested?
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03-Nov-2022 21:45:53

Angel2D4

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Draco Burnz said :
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So how would jagex make any profit off this in the long run and keep ppl interested?

In my world, the answer to that questions is what we call a "no brainer".

Jagex would make money from this.. from people who don't currently pay jagex for any iteration of runescape being offered.

Just because one person gets bored.. doesn't mean everyone gets bored.. different strokes for different folks.. we are not all the same and due to that FACT, there is no way for anyone to be truthful in claiming crap like 'games die without updates' or 'you can't keep people interested without updates' (minecraft is the first game that comes to mind that peeps are still interested in the original).

Point is.. you can't speak for anyone but you.

You would get bored.

I would NOT.

I don't give jagex money currently and have no plans to do so unless and until they actually offer something I believe is worth paying for.

They have your money with what they already offer.. they don't need to convince you to pay them.. you already do.

Those of us who don't currently pay for any iteration of old school.. are potential customers (even in the form of previous customers) and it isn't your perspective that will offer them how to get others to pay to play their games.

Any customer they gained from a vanilla server, is money they didn't have (and since they've already made clear that it costs next to nothing to do it, it's an increase in revenue).

Fresh start worlds appear to temporarily be offering them an increase in customers (however small) so there is NO reason not to offer vanilla (unless they choose to offer official private servers instead).

Something I've been saying in these forums for nearly 15 years: jagex IS capable of offering more than one game at the same time.

YOU don't have to play any of them that don't interest you.. but jagex needs the revenue to keep the game YOU enjoy, running.

But a 404 error would be fine w/me "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

03-Nov-2022 23:24:01

Angel2D4

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I am curious though... why does it bother you so much that jagex might offer an iteration of the game.. that you don't want to play? What's the big deal if they offer an iteration that would allow hundreds (if not thousands) to play the game it once was.. how it was.. how old school launched.. without polls (even jagex is regretting those polls that should never have been now).

You wouldn't ever need to log in to vanilla servers.

There's no 'division of community' because we don't currently play the games offered.

There's no lost dev time because the game has already been 'developed'.

Jagex already acknowledged that the cost of fsw was next to nothing so vanilla would also be next to nothing.

So really, other than pure selfishness, what REASON is there for opposing jagex offering a different iteration of the game? "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

03-Nov-2022 23:30:41

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Angel2D4 said :
Point is.. you can't speak for anyone but you.
Angel2D4 said :
I am curious though... why does it bother you so much that jagex might offer an iteration of the game.. that you don't want to play?

So really, other than pure selfishness, what REASON is there for opposing jagex offering a different iteration of the game?
I find it a bit curious that in the first post you're stating that one cannot speak for anyone but themselves. Which is a fair point, though an appeal that a silent majority would wish something tends to be a slippery slope as far as solid argumentation goes.

Yet in the next post you yourself are flat out stating that other people would have some innate opposition to the concept of vanilla worlds, that it bothers them, and that this opposition would stem from selfishness? Isn't that on its own a blatant example of speaking or claiming to speak for someone else?

Now, not to get sucked into that conversational rabbit hole too deeply let me answer your question: Am i actually against the concept of having vanilla worlds? And to that, the answer is no. What i did do was raise the question (Emphasis on question) if such a game mode would have long term viability.

If you answer that question with the statement that you'd be happy to have just the 2007 version and pay for that indefinitely without upgrades, then sure. If other players have the same desire there might be enough of a market for the idea for Jagex to consider it.

The fresh start worlds indicate that there is at least some interest in a fresh start (Seeing there are 2.2k players on those at the moment). And i note that the five speed running worlds currently have 5 players in total on them so i cannot argue that there are less popular game modes around.

So if there are enough people clamoring for a "Vanilla 2007" world, perhaps it will happen.

04-Nov-2022 00:12:07

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@Excyrial

My stance has always been that none of us can speak for everyone else. Some.. seem to have a habit of trying to speak for others... and I don't feel there's a need for anyone to try to speak for me.

I'm outspoken, direct, blunt even. Those two posts were @draco (who often states opposition to vanilla servers and I'd be happy to go hunt down the posts, if necessary). So my comments and questions were not directed at you.

As to me being happy to pay for the iteration of the game that I prefer.. I'd pay for it as long as it was available (but not if it had a time limit on it the way fsw does). I'm not the only one either. I -can- speak for the group of family and friends I personally have, that would join me in playing the game we were supposed to get almost 10 years ago.. or an official private server (as mentioned in the survey).

You mention the speedrunning worlds having 5 peeps (in 5 worlds?) and I see no long term viability in those.. but I also see no problem jagex offering them.. if thats what's going to get them more players.

I also have no problem with peeps opposing.. anything.. but without reason (that makes sense) it IS selfishness... I mean... 'I don't want them to do it because I don't want to play it"

IS selfish.. it's also pretty much the ONLY reason I've ever seen offered in opposing vanilla servers... that have been requested for almost as long as old school and these forums have been around.

Viability, though? I don't personally see any mmorpg as having long term viability.. but I'd suppose that's in the eyes of the beholder... plenty of peeps seem to still play RS3.. is that long term viability? And if it is, is it because of MTX and if so, shouldn't osrs have MTX to increase its' own long term viability?

So many questions.. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

04-Nov-2022 04:56:03

Teridax
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Draco Burnz said :
Angel2D4 said :


Though given it's become what it is, maybe it was a waste of dev time.. but.. time already spent and they wouldn't need to repeat the development of it... just relaunch it as it was in 2013.

Yep and split the dev teams even thinner than they already are for osrs thus making things "worse" in the overall picture.

I mean there'll still be bots and other things plaguing the game, so theyd need devs for those things.

Lol this dude really sitting here trying to speak on behalf of jagex as if you know their capabilities, nah I think you just don’t want people to play the version of the game they want and you only want summoning and other RS3 content

04-Nov-2022 12:43:04

Draco Burnz
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Angel2D4 said :


Nope like most other temp mods, I have a good feeling that a decent amount of ppl wouldve quit those too after getting so far into them thus causing jagex to lose out on profits.

I mean look at RSC and how many ppl played that at any one given time.

IIRC it was no more than 200 or so ppl max.

So give it enough time and im sure the same would happen here as RSC also didnt get any updates.
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04-Nov-2022 23:40:47

Angel2D4

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Draco Burnz said :
Angel2D4 said :


Nope like most other temp mods, I have a good feeling that a decent amount of ppl wouldve quit those too after getting so far into them thus causing jagex to lose out on profits.

I mean look at RSC and how many ppl played that at any one given time.

IIRC it was no more than 200 or so ppl max.

So give it enough time and im sure the same would happen here as RSC also didnt get any updates.

So, again, I don't see a single reason listed for jagex not to do this.

People will quit in 10 years? You mean the way they did with RS3?

Yep, they quit RS3 (you know this draco). And when enough of them quit the "main game", low and behold.. old school was born.

Only they LIED. We weren't supposed to have polls.. or updates.

And now.. as enough quit the "main game" (osrs) jagex is experimenting with other iterations of old school. FACT.

As they experiment.. they very well could include a "vanilla" server.

You don't have to support it. Really, you don't. Just keep in mind that "I don't want it" isn't likely to convince ANYBODY to NOT support it.

Don't play it.

Or... if the "I don't want it" crap actually justifies not having it.. then "I don't want" old school as it is.. so lets get rid of it. =)

Bottom line: if you don't want vanilla servers.. when they happen, simply don't play on them.

Problem solved. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

05-Nov-2022 00:05:15

n4e
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You can always play like it's 2006 haha!

I also love the nostalgia but i think it's something we can still do in the game now, Ie if you want to kill King Black Dragon with a dragon longsword there is nobody stopping you :D

05-Nov-2022 01:43:16

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