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Dec

2023

Happy Taco

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Seriously?
I purchased "limited edition" items thinking they were just that, limited edition.
What's even the point if these items are re-added over and over. Dissapointing. Last time I ever purchase something that seems attractive limited edition. (I'm aware that the definition of limited edition does allow items to be re-added, but it just makes it pointless)

Also great, more shadow drakes taking up 4-5 "squares". Pets really shouldn't be #1 visible if inside a human player. (I have the drake myself, just never use it due to the fact above)

Oh well.

21-Jul-2017 00:43:38

Feb

2011

Hax0rus

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Draco Burnz said :
Shadow Drive said :
I know people are mad at this but it really isn't any different then companys giving preorder bonus skins with console games only to add those to an online store later.

Exactly.

Other companies do not run nearly as many promotions as Runescape does for cosmetic items. For example, a big name MMO that has a $15 a month subscription that will remain unnamed but should be rather obvious what I am referring to does not run promotions like this ever. They have not added more than 5 new pets or mounts to their online shop this year alone. They are able to survive on expansion prices and monthly subscription prices.

Myself I would much rather PAY MORE for membership than continue to have promotions made instead of making those items actual in game content. But rather locking them behind real money or bonds to purchase said items or shall i say cosmetic items that have 0 use.

And these promotions are way different than companies giving pre order bonus items. For one pre order bonus items ARE FREE WHEN PRE PURCHASING THE GAME. Meaning I pay no additional fee to obtain these items. In runescape promotional case I have to pay either real money to obtain these items or use in game currency to obtain these items.

At the end of the day I get it, runescape is not as popular as it used to be and player counts are in the tubes and they must find other ways to make the money to keep the game going. But making this many promotions in a row is not the right direction. Look at old school, they do not have promotions and the player base is noticeably larger than RS3.

My point being the promotions are the wrong choice to drive additional revenue. Maybe of they delivered better content like OSRS has been doing what the players want, player count may actually come back.

Example RS Mobile was a good direction players have wanted that for years.

I wanted a clever signature but Jagex had no time for my shenanigans, because it was just a bunch of hax.

21-Jul-2017 03:06:23

Lumine

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Countess said :
Lumine said :
if they have, or you thought they did: don't believe it nonetheless.
Really?
Well, yeah.

I agree with Draco Burnz that the wording you've quoted isn't a promise that the items will never, ever be available again.

But if by chance it was intended to be, and Jagex had no initial intention of ever bringing them back, that doesn't preclude their changing their minds, especially if a lot of players ask them to.

They have brought back 'limited' items before. They will most definitely do so again when/if it looks likely to be profitable.

So *don't buy* anything that will be limited-time if it will annoy you to see it come back at a later time. The probability is decent that it could.

Countess said :
It might make money in the short term, but it sets a precedent that undermines all future similar promotions, so it might not make money in the long term.
A precedent had already been set; it's not the first time this has happened.

If you do as I suggest above and decide never to buy limited-time items, Jagex might lose money from the people who feel as you do.

But there's a lot of people who are very happy to see these items come back, so I suspect their money will console Jagex for the loss of yours.

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21-Jul-2017 05:47:00

Turksta

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Lumine said :
Countess said :
Lumine said :
if they have, or you thought they did: don't believe it nonetheless.
Really?
Well, yeah.

I agree with Draco Burnz that the wording you've quoted isn't a promise that the items will never, ever be available again.
This is:
Turksta said :

Turksta said :
Damn Op actually has a point. They actually did state that the drake will never return. I feel bad for arguing with Blackwing now, if you're out there i'm sorry. Yes they did state it was limited but that's not the point. They also officially stated that it would never return again in this sentence:
""a brand new, limited edition legendary pet called the shadow drake,

which is only available

for the next few weeks."
Keyword: only
Define only: and no one or nothing more besides; solely. (from google)
That sentence itself shows that the drake shouldn't have ever been made available again.

21-Jul-2017 08:15:22

Red Diablo

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They officially stated that it would never return again in this sentence:
""a brand new, limited edition legendary pet called the shadow drake, which is only available for the next few weeks."
Keyword: only
Define only: and no one or nothing more besides; solely. (from google)
That sentence itself shows that the drake shouldn't have ever been made available again

This is false advertising. The least they could have done is have made them slightly different in appearance.

21-Jul-2017 09:01:52

Countess

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Lumine said :
isn't a promise that the items will never, ever be available again.
Here's two examples of statements that categorically exclude the items ever returning:

They said in May 2015 that the Shadow Drake would be " only available for the next few weeks" before it was removed from the store.

They said in July 2016 that it was the " last chance" to obtain the Shadow Dragoon outfit before it was removed from the store.

They didn't say "limited" or "discontinued". There's no room for manoeuvre. "Only" and "last" don't have any alternative meanings.

21-Jul-2017 10:23:32

Countess

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Lumine said :
A precedent had already been set; it's not the first time this has happened.
I believe it's the first time for Solomon's where they've clearly ruled out items returning and then brought them back anyway. They set the precedent for TH a long time ago.

21-Jul-2017 10:29:56

Turksta

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Countess said :

Here's two examples of statements that categorically exclude the items ever returning:
- They said in May 2015 that the Shadow Drake would be " only available for the next few weeks" before it was removed from the store.
- They said in July 2016 that it was the " last chance" to obtain the Shadow Dragoon outfit before it was removed from the store.

They didn't say "limited" or "discontinued". There's no room for manoeuvre. "Only" and "last" don't have any alternative meanings.
Countess said :
I believe it's the first time for Solomon's where they've clearly ruled out items returning and then brought them back anyway. They set the precedent for TH a long time ago. Pretty much this.

21-Jul-2017 11:10:30

Dec

2011

Draco Burnz

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Hax0rus said :
Maybe of they delivered better content like OSRS has been doing what the players want, player count may actually come back.

Nah if you want that sort of thing, go to 07.

Lumine said :
They have brought back 'limited' items before. They will most definitely do so again when/if it looks likely to be profitable.

So *don't buy* anything that will be limited-time if it will annoy you to see it come back at a later time. The probability is decent that it could.

Agreed.

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21-Jul-2017 12:14:02

Aug

2012

SORXER

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some runescape game developers are innocent and not responsible for the bad management. but the developers who decide about salomon / treasure hunter microtransactions are not trustworthy. they broke the original promise when they introduced squeel of fortune...

changing a wonderful unique online game into an ordinary pay 2 win online game.

later changing the squeel of fortune into treasure hunter is nothing but cosmetical change to pretend it is not a lucky wheel but a minigame, lol nice try, fail...

runescape with all the eoc bullshit is still a good game, with good graphics, good content , many enthusiastic community members and great fun to play , but i felt cheated and still feel cheated. and i will not restart at 07 runescape, because this is also belonging to the same company which i cannot trust. after all these years spent playing runescape i am not looking for a new and better game to switch, but i just hope this will stay a little bit enjoyable for the next years.
microtransactions are mostly optional, aslong someone can accept that other people have ingame advantages due to their real world economic advantages, it is okay for me. MTX can only hurt players who want to be the exclusive players using playing skills allone.

people who buy salomon stuff should not trust the advertising "only now available, last chance" using your brain you should know that the most successfull advertising (for short term economic gain) is allways made by liars and cheaters.
buy mtx stuff if you like it, but dont count on exclusiveness for all times or it will happen again and again that you get disappointed

21-Jul-2017 13:04:44

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