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Sharp-shin

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Draco Burnz said :
How would it harm the game?
For one they were given out on the premise that they wouldnt be returning so jagex would be going against said fact.
Secondly, they are meant as a memento to the events you partook in. So since these ppl didnt, they have no rights to have them. This sums it it pretty well I think. As for how this would either harm or kill the game, it wouldn't. Neither would bringing them back. They have been off-sale for years now, I doubt people would quite if they don't return, nor do I expect to see people leave if they were to be brought back.

Trust is an important factor when you're in business with a company though; if you can't trust that what you're offered is what you're gonna get, why would you want to risk being exploited? Some might not find the rerelease itself enough of a reason to quit, but the principle behind it; "what's to stop the company from lying to me again in the future, on something that would make me quit?"

Hence, when also considering that cosmetics are optional and there are tons of options to choose from already, it's clear that any player who wants to stay for the long term, would not want outright rereleases to happen. Game integrity matters more.

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02-Sep-2018 21:32:48

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Whatusaytome

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Trust is not broken and trust is not lost. The items were never released under the premise that they would never return.

Show me where they said they were, if you can..

Tahlzar has the most common sense here. Nobody would quit if they come back. They have no reason to. It harms nobody at all. Nobody has any reason to leave because of it. It's that simple.

If you think they lied to you for bringing an item came back, that specifically says in the event news post "once in a lifetime" then you'd have reason to be upset about deception. But nobody will ever be able to show me where they said these items were ever meant to be released that one and only time. Because it has never been said by the company.

As somebody I know likes to say, "The most dangerous lies are the ones we tell ourselves."

I don't believe Jagex themselves have ever said holiday untradeable cosmetics were once in a lifetime items. You cannot show me otherwise. And if you manage to, I will forfeit my support for rereleases. Until then, stop using that bullshit argument, acting like they are deceiving you when they aren't.

Game integrity is not at risk. Stop spamming bullshit.

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02-Sep-2018 21:50:32

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Draco Burnz

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Sharp-shin said :
Trust is an important factor when you're in business with a company though; if you can't trust that what you're offered is what you're gonna get, why would you want to risk being exploited? Some might not find the rerelease itself enough of a reason to quit, but the principle behind it; "what's to stop the company from lying to me again in the future, on something that would make me quit?"

Hence, when also considering that cosmetics are optional and there are tons of options to choose from already, it's clear that any player who wants to stay for the long term, would not want outright rereleases to happen. Game integrity matters more.

Exactly.

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02-Sep-2018 22:01:00

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Whatusaytome said :
Trust is not broken and trust is not lost. The items were never released under the premise that they would never return.

Show me where they said they were, if you can..

Yes they were, it has been the standard of [the major] holiday events at large. The items are are one time only and should remain as such.

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Whatusaytome

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2 2 5 said :
Whatusaytome said :
Trust is not broken and trust is not lost. The items were never released under the premise that they would never return.

Show me where they said they were, if you can..

Yes they were, it has been the standard of [the major] holiday events at large. The items are are one time only and should remain as such.

I don't support a re-release of past holiday items. you quoted me without even reading my quote. Good job.

Show me specifically where they said it. Have a jmod tell me they never intend to do it. If they truly believe that they won't, they can make the promise right here and end it. But I think that wouldn't be smart for them to do. They'd make better business with a higher percentage of people and take nothing away from anybody's memory of doing the event.

What is so important about them that makes them one time only items? What do you have against everybody who didn't even know runescape was a thing until now having cosmetics as something to work for? They'd be working harder than we ever did.

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03-Sep-2018 03:21:51

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Draco Burnz

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Whatusaytome said :
Show me specifically where they said it. Have a jmod tell me they never intend to do it. If they truly believe that they won't, they can make the promise right here and end it. But I think that wouldn't be smart for them to do. They'd make better business with a higher percentage of people and take nothing away from anybody's memory of doing the event.

Show us we a Jmod said they could be rereleased.

It works both ways you know.

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03-Sep-2018 16:47:34 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2018 16:48:11 by Draco Burnz

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Whatusaytome

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Draco Burnz said :
Whatusaytome said :
Show me specifically where they said it. Have a jmod tell me they never intend to do it. If they truly believe that they won't, they can make the promise right here and end it. But I think that wouldn't be smart for them to do. They'd make better business with a higher percentage of people and take nothing away from anybody's memory of doing the event.

Show us we a Jmod said they could be rereleased.

It works both ways you know. saying something is only meant for a single release is reason to not release it twice. They never said it, so by process of elimination, if they do not say it is a one time release, which they havent, it may be released again.

It does not work both ways. They have to specify that it is meant to be once in a lifetime to justify no future returns. They never have so stop acting like they did. Prove they did if you can, you ignorant troll. We all know you can't.

But if you want an example of one coming back, I believe the snowglobe made a return, therefore proving holiday items are not once in a lifetime items.

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03-Sep-2018 20:14:54 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2018 20:16:15 by Whatusaytome

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Draco Burnz

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Whatusaytome said :
saying something is only meant for a single release is reason to not release it twice. They never said it, so by process of elimination, if they do not say it is a one time release, which they havent, it may be released again.

It does not work both ways. They have to specify that it is meant to be once in a lifetime to justify no future returns. They never have so stop acting like they did. Prove they did if you can, you ignorant troll. We all know you can't.

But if you want an example of one coming back, I believe the snowglobe made a return, therefore proving holiday items are not once in a lifetime items.

Just because 2 holiday items returned doesnt mean they all have to.

Maybe they saw the error in their ways in doing that and decided not to rerelease anymore.

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03-Sep-2018 22:07:57

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04-Sep-2018 08:51:32

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Whatusaytome

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You cannot mismatch words to make them mean something else. And I still said "Show me where they said it." That is your assumption of what they meant. And even if that was the case, did you miss the part where some events became replayable? Nobody got their rewards for completing the event then. So obviously that is not what they meant by it. Nice try though.

Tell me specifically what they do that makes a return of them as overrides so damn threatening. There is no harm to their bragging rights about owning the physical items while letting people work for override versions. Honestly you just seem desperate to disagree.

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04-Sep-2018 13:48:46

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