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Aug

2020

Nubeel

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This is so hypocritical. Can't you people do one thing right? There was nothing wrong with the old combat system: you release the EoC. The old interface was great: Lets make it annoying with RS3. A decade of no official RWT: Hello microtransactions and now actual RWT. What's next? Creating a botting office in china with the ability to pay to have someone level your account while you sleep?

25-Sep-2013 20:19:33

Nov

2010

Proto

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First off I'd like to thank Mod Redfox for taking the time to address and respond to both mine and others comments on this thread. However with that being said;

I'm not sure how you can say the introduction of Bonds does not give both the premise of selling gold and being Pay2Win? I, as well as others, do realize obviously no new gold is being added to the game, however you seem to be missing the point that even if no new gold is being added, people who purchase bonds from Jagex are essentially purchasing Gold The only purpose of buying bonds would be to sell them, no? We understand that no new gold is being added to the game, however many people including myself, do not like the premise of being able to buy an item with real-life money and then being able to sell it ingame.

As I said before, the most likely reason anyone would buy these bonds would simply be to sell them to other players, and make more GP. I don't think you can say that doesn't have Pay2Win principles in it, because any rich kid could go and buy 5 of these bonds, sell them for 15m each or whatever they're worth, and now he has an advantage over someone who doesn't have the real life wealth to do so.

The complaint is that this gives an unfair advantage to people with deep-pockets in real life over people who don't, and that is a principle that Jagex has previously stated they were completely against.

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25-Sep-2013 20:20:05

Apr

2021

Stigma Toxin

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Right now i'm pretty disgusted. How is this any different from Gold Buying sites? I'm not talking about legal nonsense, its Jagex's game, they can do whatever they want... But more of the Pay To Win aspect.

This lets the rich boys have a MASSIVE advantage. They can buy these, and with no effort, get a ton of cash. Spins was one thing, with all the cosmetics they really aren't that big a deal exp-wise now... But this?

Yes, this might do a massive hit against the goldfarmers, but seriously? This is the easy way out, and I'm absolutely horrified that Jagex would do that.

its good in the sense that you can giv bonds to friends, but the whole trade thing is just whack. watch me get my financial aid soon and become the richest person in runescape

25-Sep-2013 20:20:09

Brad 76

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If i use a bond for membership, will i surrender my ability to pay for membership at the current rate im paying.

Example was the gimmick to sell a year membership at a time, come december all those people will be at the normal rate instead of the grandfather rate.

Will redeaming a bond for membership do away with my "Grandfather" per month rate?

25-Sep-2013 20:20:14

Oct

2023

Eisv

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This is good.

For people who don't believe that this is a good solution for everyone:

1. Jagex still makes money. For bonds to come in the game they have to first be bought with real money, so Jagex isnt technically selling membership for gold but this can be done through a middle man.
2. Membership dosnt have a set GP price. It can fluctuate based on inflation and can compete with gold farming prices
3. Its wayyyy cheaper than membership from gold farming sites.
4. Bonds cannot effectively be merched or manipulated due to the tax ( everything on the ge should have this as a cash sink tbh)

To me, it's more about the huge Rich-Boy-Advantages aspect. You don't need to play to earn your money anymore, as shown by the (obviously well thought out) comment from the 'noob' whos been 'playing six months' and bought it so he could get Ganodermic armour. Seriously Jagex?

25-Sep-2013 20:20:53

ToeJam

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In your FAQ, I failed to see the trade limit on hour many bonds can be bought it game via the ge.

I've been capped at 50.

I thought you said there wasn't a limit?

there should be a limit anyway before things escalate quickly an get aout of hand fast

That may or may not be the case... would still be useful if they advised this in their faq

25-Sep-2013 20:21:15

Levente

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Guys, please read the FULL first page!

If you buy a Bond from a player, or the GE, you CANNOT resell it, UNLESS you pay a 10% GE tax. This will bonds from being merch-ed rapidly, and stagnate the price of bonds.

This update is for the people don't wish to buy membership anymore, but concurrently aspire to continue playing. Furthermore if people wish to do the opposite - buy membership bonds and sell it in-game for money - it will allow them to quickly climb the RS echelon. Just think how difficult it is for fledgling individuals to understand the developments of the game, presently.

This update does not give any advantages to flippers, or merchant clans, unless they wish to spend their own real life money to sell bonds in-game. Nevertheless, if a considerable amount of player decide to follow this avenue, this will, ultimately, benefit the community.

'How' you ask?

In the last two years, Jagex has expanded its employment ratio exponentially. This has allowed for novel updates to occur, simultaneously with patches, fixing bugs, and appealing to the community in more ways. Im an avid RS player, dating back to the late 2005. If you are, as well, a veteran then you'll understand how in the last few years, more and more updates are published each month.

Therefore, referring back to 'how' this helps the community. With a large influx of profits, Jagex will be able to continue paying their current employers, and in the near future, expand even more.

Jagex's recapitulation on the eradication of gold farmers isnt as forthcoming as dictated. Rather, Jagex is striving towards BECOMING gold farmers by allowing players to purchase bonds with their own money, and sell them in-game for GP. Morally, as well as in the spirit of gaming, is wrong; however, again, if those player do decide to purchase gold, they might as well do so from Jagex.

25-Sep-2013 20:21:34

Im Darryl

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It didn't make sense initially, but after reading Jacmob's explanation and the FAQ, I now understand how this will help stop gold farmers.
I like the introduction - I'm curious to see where we'll be in a few months time.

Thanks for the update, MMG.

25-Sep-2013 20:21:54 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 20:22:24 by Im Darryl

Dec

2018

NZ Sheeps

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'We’ve also done analysis (with a wide range of different techniques) which has shown well over 40% of active players have bought gold from 3rd party RWT vendors.'

THEN WHY THE FROG ARE THEY STILL PLAYERS? WHY AREN'T THEY BANNED?

(Sorry for shouting)

25-Sep-2013 20:22:08

Oct

2005

Dadizar

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If this is gonna work against gold farmers you need to start banning players who buy gold from RWT sites now. You've pointed out that you know 40-50% of players buy gold, quite possibly because they've suffered zero consequences, so now that you've introduced something to "deal with the demand" start enforcing your own damn rules.

You heard that too? There is a demand for it?

What about a demand for honest players being treated fairly?

Why would an honest player want to continue to be a member when we know cheaters prosper in this game?

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