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Trust in God
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Trust in God

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As i have stated please people re-post this!! MY BLOOD STILL CONTINUES TO BOIL! WE ARE DOING A EXCELLENT JOB, THE CONCERNED VOICE'S MUST BE HEARD. THIS WAS HIT BY US BLIND SIDE. WE SHOULD OF HAD A POLL ON SUCH A HUGE ISSUE. GOLD FARMERS DO NOT CREATE MONEY THEY DO NOT HAVE GENERATORS, ITS ACQUIRED THROUGH THE GAME THROUGH CHEATING. HENCE JAGEX'S THEORY OF CREATING A "SINK" IS BEYOND INVALID.

Can we really be surprised by massive blind side updates? It's all Jagex does anymore. Their "content polls" are about the names of NPCs in upcoming quests.

26-Sep-2013 04:19:24

Transcendent

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The mod just stated that the gold farming sites are injecting gold into the game, care to elaborate, do they have a program to simply "make gold", otherwise they have had to gather resources sell those and then in turn sell the gold that was already in game. Are you making the statement that these companies can simply make gold and inject it in the game by selling it?

Edit ...and further done the mod states that they are going to save us money....cough cough...ok...

The goldfarmers were making gold in game by creating nature runes and high alching items, thus increasing the supply of GP in the game by billions per day and causing massive inflation and destabilising the market. Hi.

26-Sep-2013 04:20:16

Dtm142

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most players hate bots and gold farmers

Unlikely, given that 91% of players voted for RWT when they were polled on it in early 2011.

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This is an incredibly dangerous problem that we’re determined to solve in the interest of the long-term health of the game. Perhaps most notably, in back in 2007 we took the controversial decision to remove the Wilderness and free trade. However, we’ve learned that it is not an option to sacrifice the experience of players to combat this threat

It didn't harm legitimate players.

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(it also proved an ineffective remedy).

{{citation needed}}

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Nor do we don’t want to remove the half of the player-base that have bought gold

In the real world, we call such players "cheaters". Reputable organizations like the Olympics, the Major League, and the NFL have no problem removing the subset of the playerbase that uses steroids. You also don't have much of a problem with removing half the playerbase when it's goldfarmers being removed.

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(many of whom just want an occasional helping hand)

Cheating is still cheating.

Just out of curiosity, do you think Lance Armstrong should be given his titles back? Perhaps the Tour de France ought to facilitate the sale of steroids so that athletes don't get scammed buying from black market dealers.

26-Sep-2013 04:21:00 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 04:26:35 by Dtm142

Galahad Sir
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Galahad Sir

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What is to stop goldfarmers from using their bot networks to get stupendously large amounts of ingame gold (as they do), then using this gold to buy up all the Bonds that people have bought from jagex to try and sell for ingame gp, and then gifting these Bonds to people who can now effectively buy Runescape Membership (or runecoins/spins) from gold farmers for half the price?

All the goldfarmers have done is used bots to play the game, and now they can not only sell players ingame gp, but they can also sell them membership, spins (spins = xp) and runecoins.

The money for the membership comes from naïve, legitimate players who have been convinced by jagex to pay jagex real life money for the chance to trade for ingame gold/items, and that membership goes to unscrupulous players who buy discounted membership from goldfarmers, who profit from the exchange.

Business as usual for goldfarmers I expect.

26-Sep-2013 04:23:29

Nabu Rimanni

Nabu Rimanni

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This is exactly the same as the PLEX System used in EvE Online. You can purchase a PLEX with real money, and this gives you an ingame item you can then sell on the market for GP (or ISK in eve)

Yes, that sounds the same. And it has the same major flaw. Players can spend money to get in-game advantages. That's called cheating.

Later you say

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Remember Bonds do not introduce ANY GP into runescape, because the money you get for selling a bond, comes from another player. Meaning it only transfers ingame GP between players, but does NOT generate any fresh GP from thin air.

Neither did the illegal real world traders. That doesn't make it alright. Your argument is a red herring.

26-Sep-2013 04:23:42

Lego_King100
Jul Member 2018

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Basically, Jagex just ended prohibition. Turns out people would pay a lot more for legal alcohol in order to eliminate the risks associated with buying it illegally - it remains to be seen if the same will hold true for something online, where the dangers associated with the risky activity aren't as obvious.

I think this is a brilliant move. We do have a precedent in EVE with PLEX, to some degree, and it works there. I'm excited to see how this turns out.

To anyone upset that Jagex is now condoning real-world trading, I agree that that sucks; in a perfect world, we wouldn't have anybody cheating. But it isn't going to stop, and a game with as open and free an economy as Runescape is going to suffer immensely from just a few cheaters. The alternatives - restricting the economy, as they once did with their trade limits, or as World of Warcraft and other MMOs do with the inability to re-sell items to prevent inflation, or some other method - are far worse.

To some degree, this is Runescape becoming more of a socialist state rather than a laissez-fair capitalist one; with Jagex intervening into the economy for mutual benefit. The alternatives of restricting trade are more like communism (metaphorically, I guess) in that they trade freedom for fairness. Personally I prefer freedom.

26-Sep-2013 04:26:08

Zwittz
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Zwittz

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My concern is if the prices of the bonds are going to be competitive to the gold farmers then bond will be worth around 13m as currently $5 will buy you around that much. I think getting rid of the gold farmers is great, but it will be interesting to see how this will work out. 13m for what you can redeem the bond for is kind of steep, I hope it works out.

26-Sep-2013 04:26:16

Brad 76

Brad 76

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The mod just stated that the gold farming sites are injecting gold into the game, care to elaborate, do they have a program to simply "make gold", otherwise they have had to gather resources sell those and then in turn sell the gold that was already in game. Are you making the statement that these companies can simply make gold and inject it in the game by selling it?

Edit ...and further done the mod states that they are going to save us money....cough cough...ok...

The goldfarmers were making gold in game by creating nature runes and high alching items, thus increasing the supply of GP in the game by billions per day and causing massive inflation and destabilising the market.

So alching in your opinion is injecting new gold in the game....makes no sense...

26-Sep-2013 04:26:20

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