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Randynumbers
Dec Member 2012

Randynumbers

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It's shocking to see that 40% of players buy from gold farmers. With such high demand, Jagex is right to see that the botters will always find a way to bot. They threw in the number of removing 3 trillion gp from the game, but if botters are adding 170 billion gp per day, then that's only 17 days of botting that were undone. The level of inflation this creates is huge.

This doesn't solve all the issues related to RWT. One big issue is that players can still transfer real world wealth to in-game wealth. But if Jagex can't definitively defeat the botters in the arms race, that is always going to be an issue. To those complaining, what's the better solution? How could Jagex stop it? There isn't a way to address this.

I do think this will severely harm the business of botters. Buying from gold farms is an inherently risky proposition. In making the purchase, a player is giving their credit card info to shady characters with no qualms about misusing that information. That risk is removed in buying from Jagex.

I understand where Jagex is coming from in making this decision. Hopefully, it works. If not, very little is lost.
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26-Sep-2013 04:06:43 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 04:07:40 by Randynumbers

Love panduhh

Love panduhh

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Ok, so the bonds themselves aren't the worry here for me as such.. It's more your financial stability I am concerned with now.

From years of experience now (from about 2005 to the present) I've known you guys to use RWT and Anti-Bot as an excuse to mess about with the core mechanics and rules of the game. Some I've agreed with, some I haven't been so adaptive.

This one worries me more than any other to date... Is Jagex falling at the final hurdle? Why this sudden and unexpected turnaround? Is it really that you as a company have come to a realisation that such a number have used goldfarming sites? Or is it that you simply want to milk the final bulk out of the company before either selling up or shutting shop?
I'd rather you were honest with us here, something smells mighty fishy and with so many hours of my life, so much cash injected and so much faith in the future of this game I'm now asking myself: Should I just get out now before it's all entirely worthless and gone?

I need a little security in knowing the future direction of this company and game now.. With Solomon's all on sale (and trying to attract loyalty as another currency), Super September trying to keep people logging in daily, content being thrown back every other week, HTML5 BETA going silent, EoC still being problematic (and annoying, feels like it should still be in BETA) and hundreds of other random defects which raise an eyebrow or two even before this announcement..

I wouldn't expect an answer to this as it would severely damage the company.. But at the same time I hope you understand my own concerns.
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26-Sep-2013 04:09:58

Nabu Rimanni

Nabu Rimanni

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Gold farmers inject gold into the economy, ...

MMG used that phrase, too, but I don't understand what you mean.

All the gp the illegal real world traders sold to cheating players was already in the game before they sold it. They didn't manufacture it out of thin air. They couldn't.

26-Sep-2013 04:11:29

Bum Hanky

Bum Hanky

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This is exactly the same as the PLEX System used in EvE Online.

You can purchase a PLEX with real money, and this gives you an ingame item you can then sell on the market for GP (or ISK in eve) You can redeem the item for 30 days of ingame subscription time. Allowing ingame wealthy players to play a fully subscribed account without spending a penny in the real world.

The system works phenomenally well, and the economy ballances the £:ISK rate naturally over time (though for Bonds, the initial pricing will likely be a bit strange, it will settle)

In EvE it almost entirely undermines all Gold farming/selling and works exceptionally well and is a fantastic system to bring to RuneScape.

Remember Bonds do not introduce ANY GP into runescape, because the money you get for selling a bond, comes from another player. Meaning it only transfers ingame GP between players, but does NOT generate any fresh GP from thin air.


Good job Jagex on taking this sensible route!

26-Sep-2013 04:11:40

Astralach

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Even if it the numbers are true, Jagex should have banned said 50%, not join in with the RWT.

When Jagex reached those numbers they should have seen 50% of accounts primed to go under the banhammer, all they saw was 50% customers ready to spend cash on their new RWT update
We've continued to ban users who buy gold, and will continue to do so. However, the ugly truth is that the demand to buy gold exists and no matter how many players we ban there will always be new players who decide to take advantage. Focusing on the players doesn't help in the long run.

With bonds we directly target the gold farmers most important aspect, their business. This way we remove the harmful elements of gold farmers (bots, inflation, spammers and hijacking) and appease the demand, which is clearly there, by offering a safe method that benefits the game.

All of this is achieved by putting the power of bonds in the hands of the community.
You're destroying gold farmers by taking over their harmful business. This alternative does not benefit the game. There is a plethora other methods to combat gold farming. Mod Jacmob himself acknowledged that "it is not an option to sacrifice the experience of players to combat [gold farming]." This is doing just that, players and the economy will suffer as a result of bonds being introduced. I can spend 5.00 USD right now for an item worth approximately 12.2m. Bonds should have been introduced only if a poll on the matter was successful, that would have truly put the power of bonds in the hands of the community. 40% != 75%. RGU | CLF | FGU | Ninja | EGC | Premier | General

26-Sep-2013 04:12:34 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 04:14:18 by Astralach

Love panduhh

Love panduhh

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As i have stated please people re-post this!! MY BLOOD STILL CONTINUES TO BOIL! WE ARE DOING A EXCELLENT JOB, THE CONCERNED VOICE'S MUST BE HEARD. THIS WAS HIT BY US BLIND SIDE. WE SHOULD OF HAD A POLL ON SUCH A HUGE ISSUE. GOLD FARMERS DO NOT CREATE MONEY THEY DO NOT HAVE GENERATORS, ITS ACQUIRED THROUGH THE GAME THROUGH CHEATING. HENCE JAGEX'S THEORY OF CREATING A "SINK" IS BEYOND INVALID.

26-Sep-2013 04:12:51

Bum Hanky

Bum Hanky

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PLEX (in eve) is also often used to purchase fanfest tickets (like runefest) as well as rare special deals such as one where they partnered with Nvidia to allow players to purchase GTX 560 Graphics cards with PLEX (or bonds) meaning you could effectively buy a graphics card with GP!

They also make great official tournament prizes for PvP tournaments and such.

26-Sep-2013 04:13:50

Nabu Rimanni

Nabu Rimanni

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Our players can now potentially save nearly $100 of their own money per year - normally spent on membership subscription - to spend on their other hobbies and interests.

That's all very fine, but it's being supported by players who buy bonds so that they can use the bonds to buy gp. (All in the hopes that they don't do to goldsellers to buy their gp there.)

They're still buying gp with money. That problem isn't fixed at all. It's made worse because they now have another way to buy gp with money.

You don't stop a flood by breaching the dikes.

26-Sep-2013 04:17:48 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 04:26:08 by Nabu Rimanni

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