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Brad 76

Brad 76

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The mod just stated that the gold farming sites are injecting gold into the game, care to elaborate, do they have a program to simply "make gold", otherwise they have had to gather resources sell those and then in turn sell the gold that was already in game. Are you making the statement that these companies can simply make gold and inject it in the game by selling it?

Edit ...and further done the mod states that they are going to save us money....cough cough...ok...

26-Sep-2013 03:41:18 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 03:42:59 by Brad 76

Nabu Rimanni

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Even if it the numbers are true, jagex should have banned said 50%, not join in with the RWT


When Jagex reached those numbers they should have seen 50% of accounts primed to go under the banhammer, all they saw was 50% customers ready to spend cash on their new RWT update

We've continued to ban users who buy gold, and will continue to do so. However, the ugly truth is that the demand to buy gold exists and no matter how many players we ban there will always be new players who decide to take advantage. Focusing on the players doesn't help in the long run.

With bonds we directly target the gold farmers most important aspect, their business. This way we remove the harmful elements of gold farmers (bots, inflation, spammers and hijacking) and appease the demand, which is clearly there, by offering a safe method that benefits the game.

All of this is achieved by putting the power of bonds in the hands of the community.

Selling gold yourself doesn't stop the problem. It makes it worse! How could you do such a thing?

26-Sep-2013 03:42:28

ManlyTheMan

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@Mod Tron

Garbage, Runescape is dead, the reason why there's an inflation is because there's a huge amount of "rare" items and now very little buyers. The inflation doesn't come from irl cash buyers, the inflation comes from Jagex's failure to keep up with modern video games and losing all its players with its ridiculous updates. You guys are losing, you want as much money before this game dumps. I don't care what you do with these bonds, but i assure everyone that this game has very little life left, so i don't recommend you buy anything.

26-Sep-2013 03:49:23

Xandrel
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Xandrel

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Not usually one to post on updates, mostly because I've gone beyond the point of caring. But this time, I think I'll pitch in my worthless two cents and add to the rabble.

First, don't get me wrong, the concept is good. The idea of bonds works well. I think with some serious tweaking, it could work out. However, the current execution is.. Flawed. Let's see how much I can get in with the character limit.

Why it won't work: competitive pricing, basic economics. Doesn't need any explaining. Buying membership via bonds - sure, why not, the gold farmers supposedly inject BILLIONS of gold into the economy every day, so they TOTALLY won't buy bonds for membership and play for free and still sell their gold. More than this, while you say that these will tackle to bot problem, you seem to forget the problem has two variables - the second being the players. You're naive if you think that players WON'T find a way and proceed to use that way to abuse these. For example: money sink - for who? The people that have several times the max cash stack? The people these are largely for can't AFFORD the money sink if these jack too far up in price. Fix the economy? Please. The game economy isn't a whole lot different from the real world economy. You can't do just one thing and expect it to magically fix itself. I don't see that bit panning out. However, I must respect how tactfully you changed this bit in RS's Rules, ToS, whatever.

"We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape."

Your integrity in regards to keeping to your principles is staggering.

And, on a final note, one of largely personal annoyance, on what planet does providing a quote from a "bot" make you in any way credible? And 40-50% buy gold? Proof please, for the sake of not seeming to make up stuff (BOT QUOTE!).

26-Sep-2013 03:51:51

Trust in God
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Ok, so the bonds themselves aren't the worry here for me as such.. It's more your financial stability I am concerned with now.

From years of experience now (from about 2005 to the present) I've known you guys to use RWT and Anti-Bot as an excuse to mess about with the core mechanics and rules of the game. Some I've agreed with, some I haven't been so adaptive.

This one worries me more than any other to date... Is Jagex falling at the final hurdle? Why this sudden and unexpected turnaround? Is it really that you as a company have come to a realisation that such a number have used goldfarming sites? Or is it that you simply want to milk the final bulk out of the company before either selling up or shutting shop?
I'd rather you were honest with us here, something smells mighty fishy and with so many hours of my life, so much cash injected and so much faith in the future of this game I'm now asking myself: Should I just get out now before it's all entirely worthless and gone?

I need a little security in knowing the future direction of this company and game now.. With Solomon's all on sale (and trying to attract loyalty as another currency), Super September trying to keep people logging in daily, content being thrown back every other week, HTML5 BETA going silent, EoC still being problematic (and annoying, feels like it should still be in BETA) and hundreds of other random defects which raise an eyebrow or two even before this announcement..

I wouldn't expect an answer to this as it would severely damage the company.. But at the same time I hope you understand my own concerns.
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~Z

26-Sep-2013 03:56:00

Warden Amell

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It's shocking to see that 40% of players buy from gold farmers. With such high demand, Jagex is right to see that the botters will always find a way to bot. They threw in the number of removing 3 trillion gp from the game, but if botters are adding 170 billion gp per day, then that's only 17 days of botting that were undone. The level of inflation this creates is huge.

This doesn't solve all the issues related to RWT. One big issue is that players can still transfer real world wealth to in-game wealth. But if Jagex can't definitively defeat the botters in the arms race, that is always going to be an issue. To those complaining, what's the better solution? How could Jagex stop it? There isn't a way to address this.

I do think this will severely harm the business of botters. Buying from gold farms is an inherently risky proposition. In making the purchase, a player is giving their credit card info to shady characters with no qualms about misusing that information. That risk is removed in buying from Jagex.

I understand where Jagex is coming from in making this decision. Hopefully, it works. If not, very little is lost.

26-Sep-2013 04:02:43

Ankesenamun
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Ankesenamun

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I started playing this game in 2005 and left in 2011 because I was tired of this company's inability to honor its promises with regard to botting etc.

Players have been warning Jagex about this since as long as I can remember.

Shame but no surprise.

26-Sep-2013 04:04:26

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