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Agentkeen

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I'm... still not sure how I feel about this. At best, it might reduce gold farming by some small amount, but there will probably always be some people willing to undersell. But, honestly, I don't really believe it will make any real difference.

It definitely won't 'help everyone.' Those with huge cash stacks can use them to buy membership, and new players can make some gp from those willing to pay. But what about the players that don't have huge cash stacks and can't really afford extra money to put into a game? I played for a long time before buying membership, largely because it had just never been something I could afford. I'm also more of a 'casual' player, more interested in things like lore and trying out new things, not spending hours upon hours every day making gp. I won't be able to buy a Bond with RL money, and it isn't really reasonable for me to spend gp on one, either. So I'm left entirely out of this loop, while those that with big cash stacks (and, as you say, a lot of them have botted or bought gold in the past) spend that gold to save RL money and those with large amounts of money can skip past me and afford things I never really plan on being able to afford.

Maybe I'm blowing things out of proportion, I don't know, I'm just not confident this is going to go the way you're telling us it will. You've been gradually moving more and more into the 'legitimate RWT' camp, and it never really seems like it goes the way you plan, so I can't say I have a lot of confidence.

I'm not going to quit. I've pretty much decided I wouldn't until the game dies, or until there's nothing left that I find fun in the game. I still enjoy the game itself, but the company running it has been slowly changing into something unrecognizable.

26-Sep-2013 04:26:31

Transcendent

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The mod just stated that the gold farming sites are injecting gold into the game, care to elaborate, do they have a program to simply "make gold", otherwise they have had to gather resources sell those and then in turn sell the gold that was already in game. Are you making the statement that these companies can simply make gold and inject it in the game by selling it?

Edit ...and further done the mod states that they are going to save us money....cough cough...ok...

The goldfarmers were making gold in game by creating nature runes and high alching items, thus increasing the supply of GP in the game by billions per day and causing massive inflation and destabilising the market.

So alching in your opinion is injecting new gold in the game....makes no sense...

How does that not make sense? It is literally creating new gold and injecting it into the game. Hi.

26-Sep-2013 04:31:16

Nabu Rimanni

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The goldfarmers were making gold in game by creating nature runes and high alching items, thus increasing the supply of GP in the game by billions per day and causing massive inflation and destabilising the market.

No doubt there was some of that. But thru 2012 there were tens of thousands of bots gathering herbs at summer garden, dbones at all the colored dragons, drops from grotworms, etc. These they sold at the GE to generate gp to illegally sell.

High-alching got them a small fraction of all their gp. Most of their gp came from players buying those items at the GE. The gp was already in the game.

26-Sep-2013 04:32:02

Nozomii

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I think the term injected is a bit misleading. According to Jagex the game is bot free which would mean all gold is being made by real people playing the game. So it's not really being injected, but rather the currency is being abused. So what's the real problem?

They want you to play the game a certain way, but there is no strong incentive to do so in comparison. Wealth and leveling are heavily dependent on completing repetitive tasks such as clicking rocks and running to a bank. It's human nature to look for short cuts to these kinds of tasks, whether it be botting or directly buying.

So in summary it's just a product of this style of game. Until the game becomes less about clicking repetitively and more about actually playing then gold will continue to be abused.

26-Sep-2013 04:35:16

Bum Hanky

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Hey nabu, your right in the context of runescape that bonds will make it easier to buy things, however dont expend a bond to net you 100m GP!

In eve you cant buy skills and so you don't really gain any advantage and so it works perfectly.

While gold farmers don't generate gold. In many respects they do, because they're not earning the gold, they use a script to earn it for them.

Using a Bond System provides players an alternative trusted source that is also legal. This makes Bonds a FAR better choice than risking using a gold seller. This unbeatable competition puts a gold seller out of business as he can't compete and he moves on to some other poor MMO.

In turn, if balanced correctly (not an easy task!) the bond system will allow poor IRL people to subscribe if they can earn the ingame money. And conversely those who can't dedicate hours a day to runescape can buy the occasional bond with cash and sell it to get a bit of gold.

While the system isnt fool proof, and it will never 100% eliminate gold selling, it gets very close. Ultimately there is no perfect solution we've brought this upon ourselves by providing a market for gold sellers, and runescape has it worse than almost any other MMO. There is a big problem and this is one of the only valid solutions.

Once sellers are pushed aside, the bonds will work great, and simply be a transfer of GP between players who legitimately earned it ingame. Without any "generated" gold coming in through bot farming, as its a market they cannot compete in, they'll move to Rift or WoW or some other MMO where it is still possible to make good money.

26-Sep-2013 04:36:28

Astralach

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I don't feel anrgy as result of this update, I just feel disappointed. I haven't made up my mind in terms of my opinion on bonds, but I wish we'd been given an opportunity to vote about their introduction in a poll… RGU | CLF | FGU | Ninja | EGC | Premier | General

26-Sep-2013 04:36:33 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 07:55:36 by Astralach

Agentkeen

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The mod just stated that the gold farming sites are injecting gold into the game, care to elaborate, do they have a program to simply "make gold", otherwise they have had to gather resources sell those and then in turn sell the gold that was already in game. Are you making the statement that these companies can simply make gold and inject it in the game by selling it?

Edit ...and further done the mod states that they are going to save us money....cough cough...ok...

The goldfarmers were making gold in game by creating nature runes and high alching items, thus increasing the supply of GP in the game by billions per day and causing massive inflation and destabilising the market.

So alching in your opinion is injecting new gold in the game....makes no sense...

How does that not make sense? That's exactly what's happening there. Gold has to, at some point, be created for it to get to players: monster drops, alching, selling items to NPCs. On the other hand, there's limited ways to destroy gold, also called 'money sinks', mainly buying items from NPC* that can't be received any other way (construction is the best example). Every player technically 'injects' gold into the game, all the time. They also inject items (again, monster drops, but also skilling and such). But most players can only 'create' so much gp, and will cycle that gp into the game economy; gold farmers create a lot more gp, and then trade it for RL money instead of anything in-game, basically pushing gold into the economy without taking anything out.

I'm probably glossing over a few things, but that's basically what they mean by 'injecting' gold.

26-Sep-2013 04:39:54

TeaVeeBug

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**** you. You know very well what you're doing, and it's not stopping gold farmers or helping us.

Calm ya farm, you will get you're happy meal soon enuff.

~The Mahjarrat of war!

26-Sep-2013 04:40:35

Stellaboots

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I agree with Samurai

ETA: I am conflicted about this update. We all saw it coming, so how can we say we are surprised now that it is here? I HOPE that it helps Jagex maintain the game, but I get the feeling it really is about the money, and maybe they are trying to bleed us dry.

Well, I don't have a huge bank, but at least now I can pay for the game with my useless gp's. If I make it to 10 year vet cape, or Max cape, I'll be happy. Last another year, Runescape. Ten years and I'll be satisfied my money was well spent.

26-Sep-2013 04:40:49 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 04:49:27 by Stellaboots

Transcendent

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The goldfarmers were making gold in game by creating nature runes and high alching items, thus increasing the supply of GP in the game by billions per day and causing massive inflation and destabilising the market.

No doubt there was some of that. But thru 2012 there were tens of thousands of bots gathering herbs at summer garden, dbones at all the colored dragons, drops from grotworms, etc. These they sold at the GE to generate gp to illegally sell.

High-alching got them a small fraction of all their gp. Most of their gp came from players buying those items at the GE. The gp was already in the game.

Did you ever wonder why so many bots mined pure essence and made nature runes? It was not a small portion of the gold they gained to sell, it was a significant portion of the gold they obtained and injected into the game. Yes they also made gold in other ways, but the mining of pure essence and making of nature runes and then high alching to create GP was a lot. They are doing it now in Old School, how do you think they get so much GP? They mine pure essence, make nature runes, then chop yews and spin flax into bowstrings make yew longbows then high alch the yew longbows they make to get GP to sell. That is why you always would see bots mining pure ess, making nature runes, picking flax, making bowstrings, cutting yews, and high alching. Hi.

26-Sep-2013 04:41:00

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