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blackphat ro
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blackphat ro

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It's not out yet Supdog.

Also,

1. monkeyspeak amulet is not a tool.
2. The price of dragon picks and hatchets is mostly driven by bots losing them when they (eventually) get banned.
3. The price of lesser hatchets and picks, such as rune, will likely drop further.
4. The adze is a quest-and-minigame-related item that also burns logs - it's more of a special reward than a basic tool.
5. Gilded picks are novelty items from cumulative work at a minigame. As long as you don't destroy your golden mining armour, you can revisit the older LFM content to recover the gilded version of the pick if so required

Of course, this is all using rational logic. Once Jagex logic takes effect, rationale goes out the window.

16-Jun-2013 14:38:29

Transcendent

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how do you put the better axes and pickaxes in your toolbelt i cant figure it out

The update is not out yet, so you can't add better hatchets or pickaxes to your toolbelt until the update comes out. Hi.

16-Jun-2013 15:48:25

Tifir
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I'd like to make a brief comparison.

The way the toolbelt currently works is that it allows bronze tools only; they can't possibly be lost.
It will soon be that gear worth millions, dragon tools, will be able to be added.

Apply this to combat.
The current toolbelt is like everybody having bronze equipment that will be equipped when nothing else is, and it can't be lost on death.
After the changes, the toolbelt will be like being able to have dragon equipment that can't possibly be lost.
People would be furious about that; that gear is worth millions and they no longer risk a single piece of gold because of the change.
People could go anywhere, face anything, in that gear, and they wouldn't worry a bit about losing it.
Beforehand, they would have risked millions bringing that gear.

Back to how it really is; people don't care at all that people would go from risking millions to nothing simply because it's not combat equipment, it's skilling equipment.
The principle is the same, though.
People go from not bringing their best tools to places that they might lose them, thus losing millions, to bringing their best tools everywhere because they cannot lose them.
They go from risking cheaper gear to bringing their best gear and not having to risk it at all because Jagex is protecting it.

Better gear is supposed to be higher risk.
If you want to have an advantage while skilling or fighting or whatever, you should have to risk more expensive equipment as the price.
Now, no matter what gear is used to skill, you risk nothing.

16-Jun-2013 17:34:32 - Last edited on 16-Jun-2013 17:36:35 by Tifir

Shojo Dagger
Mar Member 2012

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I think it's a great update!

@DreamGuard:
You have some interesting opinions.
"Better gear is supposed to be higher risk."

Yes it is, but picks & hatchets are tools, they're not the same kind of gear as weapons & armor. (although they can also be used as less effective weapons)
If this was being done to regular weapons & armor I would object, but for tools I think it's great. We can't use toolbelt tools as weapons anyway. If some kook wants to go pk'ing with his d-pick/hatchet he still has to get one to wield openly; he can't use the protected one in his belt, therefore he's still risking it.

"People go from not bringing their best tools to places that they might lose them, thus losing millions, to bringing their best tools everywhere because they cannot lose them."
Yes, & some people don't have the millions to risk; I'm still saving up for a d-pick, because the price seems to keep going up & up and, quite frankly, I can't afford to spend that much of my bank on one right now. When I DO get one I certainly wouldn't want to lose it & have to save up again for X more months to afford another one.
Having it protected so that I only have to buy one once & not have to worry about keeping a gp reserve for a replacement is great IMO. This update makes me rethink my spending plan. I think I will buy one ASAP, since I will be able to t-belt it & never lose it; it will be worth the investment of my bank stack to get it with this update.
As for the d-hatchet: I'm not sure exactly what they're going for now, but when I bought mine it was only a few hundred K for one. It might cost a couple mils now, but it's still way less than a d-pick.

The only people who are truly against this update are merchers who buy & sell them in bulk. They're just afraid that their profits will go down.

And if anyone really thinks it's better to risk their d-tools than put them in their belt...well you don't have to put them in your belt; you can leave them out if you really want What we obtain too easily, we esteem too lightly, it's dearness only that gives everything it's value.

16-Jun-2013 20:28:37

Shojo Dagger
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hi
i think you should add the karambwan vessel to the tool belt and just have the karambwan go straight to the inventory.


I don't think that would work well, since you have to bait the vessel with a Karambwanji fish each time you use it on a spot. How would you "use" the bait on the vessel if it's in your belt?
To do this would require a complete rework of the Karambwan fishing method, which I would not like to see. Fishing for Karambwan is purposely meant to be more difficult/time-consuming than other "regular" catches. Other than perhaps making the raw Karambwanji a stacking item, I would not want to see the Karambwan fishing method changed.

P.S. my spellcheck thinks "Karambwanji" should be "Karamazov"...It doesn't say whether it thinks I mean Dmitri, Ivan, Alexei or Fyodor, though. haha
(wiki "Karamazov" if you don't get it) What we obtain too easily, we esteem too lightly, it's dearness only that gives everything it's value.

16-Jun-2013 20:45:38

Herblawyer
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What about machetes? There are three machetes that are improvements upon the normal machete. It's not like there aren't spots for other extremely unused items anyway (chainlink mould).

To a lesser degree, I'm also curious about the magic secateurs. It just crossed my mind.

Also need toolbelt-spade option to dig.

Also want to know if I can use a toolbelt-dragon hatchet to kill the Jade Vine.

16-Jun-2013 21:52:30 - Last edited on 16-Jun-2013 22:16:11 by Herblawyer

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