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Beethoven250
Feb Member 2023

Beethoven250

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Hello,

I'd just like to point out that for the past several years there have been a tremendous number of bots in w302. These bots range as follows:

1. Gambling bots
2. Bots that trade you 2147 plats, trying to scam you into trading "2b for"
3. Extremely malicious bots that spam YouTube usernames which lead to phishing links
4. Bots that beg for money

It seems like every time I log in to w302GE I'm silencing 10-20 bots. Why is this such a recurring problem? Are there plans to fix it? It's such an obvious pain point to a number of players that I'm really surprised there isn't a more permanent solution.

Best wishes

05-Mar-2023 23:54:06

Tenebri
Jan Member 2015

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they are in the process of "fixing" it

its just not super easy. apparently many people think it is easy to get rid of them all.

where as jagex have spent a fortune on getting rid of them.

Beethoven250 said :
t I'm really surprised there isn't a more permanent solution.


what do you suggest?
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06-Mar-2023 18:40:40 - Last edited on 06-Mar-2023 18:41:13 by Tenebri

Beethoven250
Feb Member 2023

Beethoven250

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Tenebri said :
they are in the process of "fixing" it

its just not super easy. apparently many people think it is easy to get rid of them all.

where as jagex have spent a fortune on getting rid of them.

Beethoven250 said :
t I'm really surprised there isn't a more permanent solution.


what do you suggest?

If the issue hasn't been solved in 10 years, maybe it would be worth thinking outside of the box. From a consultant's perspective, one could attempt to benchmark all of the ways in which gaming companies attempt to deal with bots, gaining knowledge from external sources which might be applicable to Jagex.

In the mean time, I do think that it needs to be highlighted that this is happening on a daily recurring basis in the most centralized location for p2p trading. It's ruining people's experience with the game, and could definitely use even a temporary band-aid solution while a more permanent solution is being developed.

But at the end of the day, I guess this section of the forum is more about the problem than the solution, right?

08-Mar-2023 00:34:24

Lelouch Vi B
Jan Member 2017

Lelouch Vi B

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Beethoven250 said :
Tenebri said :

Beethoven250 said :
t I'm really surprised there isn't a more permanent solution.


what do you suggest?

If the issue hasn't been solved in 10 years, maybe it would be worth thinking outside of the box. From a consultant's perspective, one could attempt to benchmark all of the ways in which gaming companies attempt to deal with bots, gaining knowledge from external sources which might be applicable to Jagex.

In the mean time, I do think that it needs to be highlighted that this is happening on a daily recurring basis in the most centralized location for p2p trading. It's ruining people's experience with the game, and could definitely use even a temporary band-aid solution while a more permanent solution is being developed.

But at the end of the day, I guess this section of the forum is more about the problem than the solution, right?


Your issue, is that Jagex already has a solution. You simply don't like it. The game has built in systems to detect and ban bots, but they do not and cannot work instantaneously. It would be like attempting to hand a photo of a car driving down the highway to a cop and asking him to tell you if they're speeding. The system has to spend time gathering data from the account, and compare it to what it knows about bots. This HAS to be done, or else you just get a ton of legitimate players banned because that one guy just likes to woodcut for 9 hours a day. What's worse is botters have countermeasures; their programs learn what bots get banned and what ones don't and they evolve the scripts to avoid the detection. Jagex responds in kind. You're literally complaining that evolution isn't happening fast enough.

This isn't a simple problem of a hole in a bucket that needs plugged. The problem is this hole fights back, and learns what you use to fix it, and works around it. There is NO permanent solution. Now with added
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08-Mar-2023 01:42:33 - Last edited on 08-Mar-2023 01:45:52 by Lelouch Vi B

Beethoven250
Feb Member 2023

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Lelouch Vi B said :

Your issue, is that Jagex already has a solution. You simply don't like it. The game has built in systems to detect and ban bots, but they do not and cannot work instantaneously....

This isn't a simple problem of a hole in a bucket that needs plugged. The problem is this hole fights back, and learns w

You're right, I don't like it. Many others don't as well, especially when they get scammed, lured to phishing sites, or simply don't like wading through 1000s of spam messages, taking the time to report ~20 bots each time they log in, and dealing with bots spam trading them.

Do other games have this problem? If not, why not? Might be worth exploring... Or I guess it's just my issue because I "simply don't like it."

08-Mar-2023 02:53:12 - Last edited on 08-Mar-2023 03:12:13 by Beethoven250

Lelouch Vi B
Jan Member 2017

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Beethoven250 said :
Lelouch Vi B said :
Your issue, is that Jagex already has a solution. You simply don't like it. The game has built in systems to detect and ban bots, but they do not and cannot work instantaneously....

This isn't a simple problem of a hole in a bucket that needs plugged. The problem is this hole fights back, and learns w

You're right, I don't like it. Many others don't as well, especially when they get scammed, lured to phishing sites, or simply don't like wading through 1000s of spam messages, taking the time to report ~20 bots each time they log in, and dealing with bots spam trading them.

Do other games have this problem? If not, why not? Might be worth exploring... Or I guess it's just my issue because I "simply don't like it."


First off, getting lured/scammed/phished is your own fault. It happens to everyone once, and you learn from it. The world isn't going to hold your hand and make sure you never make a mistake or get taken advantage of. Take your L and don't let it happen again.

Second, yes, other games have this issue. You're probably just not thinking of the right games. Bots exist for 1 primary purpose: to make IRL money. Name a game with an economy, and I guarantee bots exist to exploit it.

Third, the games you probably think of as not having bots (most of which still do) use other invasive third-part monitoring software like Battleye, which sifts all of your pc software (running or not), which is why many players hate these softwares. They also have a rough history of illegitimate bans due to them flagging any software that attempts to interact with certain data on your pc, such as monitoring softwares like AIDA64. Hell, some, like Vanguard, won't even let your keyboard light up. So if you, like me, even have a random macro program like the one I use for various other non-Runescape, non-gaming purposes, you could get banned just for having it installed. Now with added
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08-Mar-2023 06:05:01 - Last edited on 08-Mar-2023 06:08:59 by Lelouch Vi B

Lelouch Vi B
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Beethoven250 said :

You're right, I don't like it. Many others don't as well, especially when they get scammed, lured to phishing sites, or simply don't like wading through 1000s of spam messages, taking the time to report ~20 bots each time they log in, and dealing with bots spam trading them.


Obviously this thread is on the subject of OSRS, so I recommend a plugin that I use if you use the Runelite client. Bot Detector automatically screens, predicts, and reports all bots on your screen. Jagex is working directly with the devs of this plugin because it does so much good for the game. You can even see how many bots have been banned by your client alone. If you really are sick of bots and think enough isn't being done, install the plugin. At the very least, you can stop manually reporting the bots you see because the plugin is actually impressively accurate after all the data it has been trained on.

As for spams? Idk I only play an Iron so I don't end up at the GE. Add them to Ignore I guess? Now with added
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08-Mar-2023 06:14:35

Tenebri
Jan Member 2015

Tenebri

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Beethoven250 said :
Lelouch Vi B said :

Your issue, is that Jagex already has a solution. You simply don't like it. The game has built in systems to detect and ban bots, but they do not and cannot work instantaneously....

This isn't a simple problem of a hole in a bucket that needs plugged. The problem is this hole fights back, and learns w

You're right, I don't like it. Many others don't as well"

but it is the best way to get rid of them currently.

as asked you before which you didnt really give any response to what do you suggest? you said think outside the box, yeah thats great in all saying that, but its not entirely helpful, you may aswell of said, oh we just need to find something that works better.. yep you are right, but we are in same situation as before lol

jagex take down the literal botting websites, and that is a permanent way to get rid of them, but that is not easy nor is it fast. nor is it cheap.

what you think can be done, is either not easy or fast, or is impossible.

Lelouch Vi B said :


Second, yes, other games have this issue. You're probably just not thinking of the right games. Bots exist for 1 primary purpose: to make IRL money. Name a game with an economy, and I guarantee bots exist to exploit it.


indeed^
yep so its an whole industrial size problem with all games, not just jagex, yet you are here annoyed at jagex.

they are annoyed to
we all are annoyed.

this point doesnt help your point at all it solidifies ours. that is not as simple as you think it is.

if the problem was just on runescape. then hell yeah this point would be the main point you should make, but it isnt as you pointed out.

you also said this place isnt for solution, which i disagree with.

people come here all time to rant, someone can point them in right direction for whatever it is they are ranting about, now they are happy. so this 100% a place for a solution
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08-Mar-2023 09:50:45 - Last edited on 08-Mar-2023 12:48:17 by Tenebri

Tenebri
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the only way they can stop these kinds of bots is getting them at the source, and that is a long expensive journey

if the actual company / website is active then these bots will be around.

if the bots get banned they have hundreds already waiting to be used to replace them. asap.

they are a cancer we cant deal with yet.

any chat filters / auto mutes etc, all get work around in an hour, its why you see many of them typing with unique characters. and chat filters are never perfect and effect legit players.
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08-Mar-2023 09:55:39 - Last edited on 08-Mar-2023 09:59:26 by Tenebri

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