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Mel 624
Dec Member 2021

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Draco Burnz said :
Mel 624 said :
You're claiming that people want RNG because they don't want things to be determined by chance, except the whole point of random number generation is to make things chance based. You'd need to reduce RNG for that.



Nope, plenty of ppl are ok with rng ways such as skill pets hence why whenever a thread pops-up asking for them to change, it gets denied.

So this whole argument that rng is bad for the game is baffling.


That's not what I'm seeing. Tolerating things like skill pets isn't necessarily a lack of openness for changing the use of RNG even if you can confirm there's no dissatisfaction there or with other aspects of the game's use of RNG. I've also seen plenty of people take issue with skill pets and other RNG things in the game, so there's hardly a lack of it.

In terms of using denials of those things as proof that it's not an issue, that's not really an accurate indication of how the community feels either. It's hardly a definitive statistic of how the community feels about it and it's not even crunching the numbers on who's saying what on the forums specifically. In my forum experience the naysayers on many topics tend to be the same 3 - 5 people while the people raising those issues are more varied. It also doesn't account for what's actually being said or that the quantity of people commenting on something and the quality of their arguments are separate from whether or not it's an issue worth discussing.

People can bring up real issues but argue them poorly the same way they can be argued well but lack attention or get shut down by the same people over and over again. Not everyone has the time or energy to justify every little thing people disagree with them on or for as long as it ends up lasting, so there's that to consider too.
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23-Apr-2022 01:29:56

whiskeyman
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Tenebri said :
whiskeyman said :
You are all missing the point of what I posted first up....

Jagex have deliberately reduced the chance (let's call it 50/50) of anything random happening (to say 25/75), and forced the gamer into buying (through bonds, TH, or other micro-transactions) or spending loads of time acquiring additional stuff to regain that original chance of 50/50.


when were things just 50/50?

whiskeyman said :


They removed the Duel Arena because .... ???

!


it was being abused and was heavily involved in illegal gambling


for someone that apparently quit and doesnt care you are back a lot :P


That's why I put in brackets "Let's call it 50/50" if anyone knows what the exact chance was originally ... say so.

Duel arena now would fall foul of UK law in illegal gambling for under 18's ... that's why they removed it. For years massive billions of RS GP's have been gambled in the Duel Arena and Jagex did nothing to stop it, and don't tell me they didn't know what was going on ... it was a joke for a decade!

Re-read my previous post on my reasons for quitting and when i will quit ... when my current paid up membership ceases!

Try to keep up!

23-Apr-2022 02:48:51 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2022 03:09:41 by whiskeyman

Tenebri
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whiskeyman said :
Tenebri said :
whiskeyman said :
You are all missing the point of what I posted first up....

Jagex have deliberately reduced the chance (let's call it 50/50) of anything random happening (to say 25/75), and forced the gamer into buying (through bonds, TH, or other micro-transactions) or spending loads of time acquiring additional stuff to regain that original chance of 50/50.


when were things just 50/50?

whiskeyman said :


They removed the Duel Arena because .... ???

!


it was being abused and was heavily involved in illegal gambling


for someone that apparently quit and doesnt care you are back a lot :P


That's why I put in brackets "Let's call it 50/50" if anyone knows what the exact chance was originally ... say so.



what are you refering to? there are many different odds depending what you are wanting.

you do know that right?

whiskeyman said :


Duel arena now would fall foul of UK law in illegal gambling for under 18's ... that's why they removed it. For years massive billions of RS GP's have been gambled in the Duel Arena and Jagex did nothing to stop it, and don't tell me they didn't know what was going on ... it was a joke for a decade!

Re-read my previous post on my reasons for quitting and when i will quit ... when my current paid up membership ceases!

Try to keep up!


so you answered your question on why it was removed grats well done

when i quit it wont matter how much members i have left. ill be gone if i dont want to play for whatever reason then i wont. and if its down to hating the ownership / not caring why would amount of membership left matter? id be gone
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23-Apr-2022 07:41:52 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2022 07:43:36 by Tenebri

Bruce Waayne
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Yep just a RNG (random number generator) shitshow. But if you pay2win your guarateed to get gold and xp, which is what everyone does.
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25-Apr-2022 01:32:29

whiskeyman
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"when i quit it wont matter how much members i have left. ill be gone if i dont want to play for whatever reason then i wont. and if its down to hating the ownership / not caring why would amount of membership left matter? id be gone"

lol Tenebri ... not even got the balls to admit you didn't read my previous post and admit you were wrong! You didn't read it, pure and simple!

I actually posted this ... "My current subscription has been discontinued, leaving me time to complete my game using my daily tasks etc only from now on." But you did not even read it!

You posted this instead ... "for someone that apparently quit and doesnt care you are back a lot :P "

33 grand of posts but you can't take the time to even read what you take delight in replying to lol

33 grand + of posts and you have not got the balls to admit it when you screw it up!
Instead, you go off at a tangent with some rubbish about why you think your leaving will be "dignified".

lmao ... "trolling forums" will be your epitaph.

RIP

And i'm kinda good at answering questions i ask ... when the serial respondents fall silent, or use their usual tactic of going of at a tangent. Readers usually want to read the answer when they see a reply, but you for the most part just do not do that, so it's left to the likes of me who ask questions, to offer a correct response which you cannot do, because it goes against your "I love Jagex" addled brain.

I await your next addled tangent response without a bated breath!

25-Apr-2022 02:26:37 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2022 04:28:36 by whiskeyman

whiskeyman
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Teridax said :
LOL someones angry they found out the true nature of RuneScape. But honestly what did you expect? This game is as sleazy as they come. Think about it. We pay 12.49 a month to grind and work inside a point and click game world and kill monsters for a chance to get whatever item.


lmao .. my premier annual last time I looked (in my bank account) was £49.99 for one calendar year from 11 November 2021.

Phone your accountant! lol

25-Apr-2022 04:01:01

whiskeyman
Jun Member 2012

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Draco Burnz said :
Teridax said :
LOL someones angry they found out the true nature of RuneScape. But honestly what did you expect? This game is as sleazy as they come. Think about it. We pay 12.49 a month to grind and work inside a point and click game world and kill monsters for a chance to get whatever item.


Exactly.

So how you can be angry over something ppl are paying for, or choosing to take part in if you're f2p, is absurd.


lmao .. my premier annual last time I looked (in my bank account) was £49.99 for one calendar year from 11 November 2021.

You too lol ...

Phone your accountant too!

25-Apr-2022 04:02:36 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2022 04:03:12 by whiskeyman

Yuuki Terumi
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I get what you're saying.

Even with the duel arena gone, players are pretty much left with 2 options:

1. Stake their death fees, or ~210k with a Ring of Death (forgoing RDT) to fight a boss you already know, and hope you don't mess up, for the chance to earn an amount comparable to what you could have bought from working that hour instead...

-OR-

2. Do something safe, like frost dragons, crystal warriors, or capsarii, and be guaranteed to make roughly 1 bond every 5-8 gameplay hours($1.00-1.60).

Of course, to do the first option, you need to learn that boss to begin with, which, let's be honest, is going to probably cost you at least
$16
before you start to consistently make money. Potentially much more, if you are wearing T92 gear and forget to swap back to your ring of death.

And let's not forget, the cost of upgrading from T90 to T92+ gear to begin with is a pipe dream without bonds. The things you can kill with lower-end gear would take over 1k hours of safe grinding to afford it, and said grinding doesn't produce enough money to maintain it.
So, what else to do but buy more bonds?
Go play the critically acclaimed MMO, (redacted), where your time is valued, and you can spend 30 hours to make near-BIS equipment for any class.


...But I digress. I'll also be gone after my Premier Club membership ends. Between the price hike, the lack of Platinum tokens(or equivalent) making many items unbuyable at the GE, thus vulnerable to the sort of price fixing that would get you a prison sentence if you tried it with real commodities in my country, and the recent
defiling
"improvements" to Treasure Hunter, I could do better.
Can you guess where I'm going?


I hope the same people at support who I used to email my suggestions to, that used to care, see this and better understand the state of the game. But with my luck...

26-Apr-2022 04:24:40

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