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Maze Of Hell
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The security of my account isn't the issue. Sure, they removed the guardian feature while I was gone and it does play a role but at the end of the day ; the fact that I had to fight to get my account back and the fact that my account was cleared out of anything of value is problematic.

I'm not sure why everyone first topic was to talk about going after jagex in court. The fault can only be decided there and I will emphasis on how much I hate Jagex for always pushing the fault on the player. That being said, I do not really hate them all that much, we simply do not meet on this subject. The only reason why I would maybe sue them would be if they didn't give me my account back. That is out of the door at this point.

Jagex pretends they cannot give items back (obvious lie) to avoid mass "requests". I have lost it all and I find it very hard to get back to raiding right now.

What I was hoping from the community here was advise on how I could get my gp back. Maybe there is a place in the forum where players have each others back and I never heard of it. Maybe There is a place I need to reach at Jagex. Maybe there is a forum where players petition for Jagex to improve security or improve the odds of getting back items from them.

So far, this thread is turning in the wrong direction and proves the opposite of useful. Nothing personally directed to any of you.

23-Dec-2022 19:01:28

Tenebri
Jan Member 2015

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F311ANG3L said :
Tenebri said :
so you didnt have full security. i would reccomend the links below to help you secure your device again. as if you didnt have full security. then it was not the account recovery you are thinking it is.

securing your account
securing your device
Phishing websites and suspicious emails
boost account security
getting secure

authenticator
bank pin
2f email
email only used for rs account


The bold is all you really need. It's extremely hard to hijack an account under 2A protection because it's on your phone. And hijackers will not go out of their way to figure out how to hack your cellular device. Only such a way to happen is if YOU the USER allow it to happen (In short, don't try and cheat the game system.)


no a layered protection is better. sure authenticator is great. but if that does fail which it can you should have have a layered protection just incase that happens
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23-Dec-2022 19:37:40

Tenebri
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Maze Of Hell said :
By "The security of the account isn't the issue here" I meant that the issue didn't come from my end.


but you didnt have full security on your account

so yes it really is.

we just going in circles dude. you didnt have full security on your account, so now the way in which you could have been hacked is countless.

yet you still think its 1 thing the account recovery which you still havent explained why you think its that that got you hacked.

you are claiming its jagex fault with out providing anything to back that up. what you have provided is that your account was not protected. therefore is it jagex fault you didnt have full security?
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24-Dec-2022 07:58:57 - Last edited on 24-Dec-2022 08:06:43 by Tenebri

Maze Of Hell
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I had an account guardian. Only my IP address was supposed to be allowed to connect to my account. It seems they removed that feature. By removing the security feature, it really isn't. From the start.

Pay attention and take notes.

In the world of computer programming, a common topic is "User error" and "security management". When you see that your customers (RuneScape players in this case) are getting their entire account stolen, you do not start removing security features. You add security features. Credit card fraud? They don't seem to care.

Imagine for a second that bank accounts would be easy to breach and steal. Wouldn't you be glad that on top of previous security features, they decided to also ask for additional information?

I had, in my opinion, the best possible security. I don't care if you find my password or find whatever else ; My account is locked to my IP address until I remove it by clicking on a link in my email account.

Back to the current scenario : No Account Guadian to be found. (They removed that feature for god knows what reason) The only information I have about this event is an email about a password changed. The only way to only have that email and nothing else would be via "account recovery" while using a secondary email to receive the thread with support.

That's exactly what I had using the account recovery feature.

I sent them a request to know more about what happened. Of course, employees cannot declare that they are at fault. They are accusing my email account to have been breached. My email account has a 2 step security and it feels way more secure than my RuneScape account. I can see the previouslogins. I have had it all my life and not a soul managed to get in other than me.

All of this would never have happened if the lock on my IP address would still be there. It is their fault. You can put your fingers in your ears and play deaf on the topic all you like and say that we are turning in circle : The facts remain the same.

24-Dec-2022 18:43:15

Maze Of Hell
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And to get back to the main subject of this thread :

Do you have any great information for a player who lost his entire bank on how to get back on his feet without having to buy bonds to get his gp back and get back on his feet?

I'm not here to debate on a subject I already know the answer to. I'm looking for ideas on how to get back on my way asap. I'm FAR from being able to raid again at the moment. It takes one good tip or one good idea to make a difference.

Of course, any petition on Jagex to improve their assistance with players who lost their accounts ; I'm down to sign it. I'm really at the point where I wouldn't mind having a picture ID requirement attached to my account.

Getting declined twice on getting my account back was the worst. I had to spam them with recovery requests with all the bills ID and information since more than a decade ago until they realized what's going on. (With the credit card fraud on the account + empty bank, it should have been obvious already that the owner of the account wasn't in control of the account)

So. Do you have any good suggestions on the next step? That's what I'm interested in.

24-Dec-2022 18:51:56

Tenebri
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Maze Of Hell said :
I had an account guardian.

there is a reason why it was replaced with authenticator


Maze Of Hell said :


I had,
in my opinion
, the best possible security.


yep in your opinion... which unfortunately doesnt relate to fact. what would have been better is having the full / all security features on your account.

jagex provided you with many security features you just chose 1. its like a locksmith giving you a door with 5+ locks and you only lock 1 of them and complain when someone got through.

Maze Of Hell said :
The facts remain the same.


yep they do which ive said many times now lol

and im done repeating myself because you are right. the facts do remain the same.
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24-Dec-2022 18:57:49

Maze Of Hell
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Maze Of Hell

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By replacing the Acc.Guardian without making sure that accounts protected by it are still protected as required, they opened a door to account hijackers. Really not hard to understand here.

(Edit : I made a typo. I changed the word "Authenticator" by "Acc.Guardian" )

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My opinion is the opinion of someone very well versed in the subject. I am not here to teach you anything. Feel free to go to school in computer science and learn. Then go and try helping customers protecting their accounts in a software company. You'll better understand the challenge at hand and see things very clearly like I do.

The locksmith example is very bad. You would know why if you were from the field.

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Yes, the facts remain the same. It clearly is a subject you do not understand and should learn more about before going online and trying to play the keyboard warrior.

From reading your comments, this subject clearly seems harder to comprehend that I personally believed. Having a background in fraud/identity theft as well computer programming and tech support may have provided me a biased view on the matter. I really thought it was so simple that anyone could do it until today.

Feel free to repeat yourself as much as you want. Your opinion on the matter already no longer has any value to anyone with any shred of experience in the field.

24-Dec-2022 20:57:11 - Last edited on 25-Dec-2022 04:23:23 by Maze Of Hell

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