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Mrs Ana

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Good morning/afternoon, everyone.

I'm here to propose a change to RIP threads in the Off-Topic sub-forum. Recently, a forumer came up with the idea and after some discussions in the Off Topic Chat Lounge , I have decided to create this thread to suggest a centralized sticky for obituaries. Additionally, it'd serve as a way to see how popular this idea may be and what others think of such a change.

After doing a quick search for threads in Off-Topic with the word "RIP", I have found 31 threads in total. I think that's a little too much and this could be avoided if a sticky were to be added with a title like this one:
Obituaries - Your Condolences.
I do not think it'd be ideal to change the thread's title every single time someone new dies. I just believe that if someone wished to pay their respects, they may just post on the sticky and that's it. Having an F-Mod or a CM edit the title is a tedious job as an they may not be readily available whenever a player wishes to share their condolences after someone has died.

Furthermore, if a CM edits the title, F-Mods will not be able to edit such title. This means that we'd have to wait until a CM is available for the title to be changed. This may all be avoided if the title were to be a general one, something like this thread's title. If people wished to post about anyone that has recently died, they are able to do so in this sticky without having to create one thread dedicated to that specific person.

As an addendum, I wholeheartedly believe that such a sticky would also allow people to share their grievances if a pet/animal of theirs dies. I'm sure that some users would love the idea to share their experiences and respects for an animal or pet that they may have owned. A sticky like this one would combine all the RIP threads to one, a much easier way to gather everyone thoughts after a person or an animal has abandoned this world.

What do you think?

19-Aug-2020 15:51:29

Mrs Ana

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Just wanted to add that with the world pandemic that we are all facing, we have seen an increase in the amount of deaths recorded around the world. Yes, I agree that we can't simply pay our respects to every single person that dies, but forum users have created these RIP threads to share their thoughts and respects about someone they dearly admired. I believe a centralized sticky may provide a safe space for them to do this and it would also reduce the amount of unnecessary threads.

Thanks for reading.

19-Aug-2020 15:51:35

FiFi LaFeles

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Personally I have no feelings one way or the other about such a thread coming into being, or not.

I don't view the current way as being spammy - the threads fade away on their own quickly and don't (imo) have such an impact that they are keeping more 'important' threads off page one or two.
More popular threads are posted on frequently enough to keep themselves in the limelight.

It would only become a problem if people took it upon themselves to deliberately cause mischief by making RIP threads about persons who are virtually unknown by others, or entirely unknown (i.e. RIP George - my second cousin's adopted son ... kind of thing....).

On the other hand it would keep all the dead people in one place and dispense with any annoyance for people who find RIP threads to be an issue. Although I daresay some folk would/might see it as inappropriate to have an Obituary thread, for this or that reason.

So, uh, whatever really.
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19-Aug-2020 16:58:32

Tuffty
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Greetings. You say you found 31 threads. Thats over 13 months total so thats 2.3 threads per month. Less then 1 thread per 12-13 days. Couldn't be bothered to do the maths so guessed. :P

It's not that bad really speaking. We get a rush now and then with 2-3 at the same time. The threads die within a week or less (bad pun).

I see no reason for a sticky thread.

CM Staff can't edit it as that would mean the F-Mods can't do it any more. So thats the thread dead. Another bad pun. ;)

It has been discussed by Jagex. CM staff and F-Mods and as you can see no sticky thread or no banning them. Jagex are happy for now for them to continue.
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19-Aug-2020 17:04:47

Mrs Ana

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Hey, Fifi. Thanks for posting here.
FiFi LaFeles said :
I don't view the current way as being spammy -
I too agree that as of right now, it hasn't gotten to a point where these threads have caused a great deal of spam; however, if you do check the first page of Off-Topic, there are three RIP threads. These could have been combined and added to the sticky that's being proposed. Instead of having to post on three different threads to offer my condolences, I could have done so on one thread and probably on one post. I'm unable to do that right now with these three different threads.
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FiFi LaFeles said :
It would only become a problem if people took it upon themselves to deliberately cause mischief by making RIP threads about persons who are virtually unknown by others, or entirely unknown (i.e. RIP George - my second cousin's adopted son ... kind of thing....).
I'm so glad this hasn't been the case. As far as I am aware, all the RIP threads that I have read have been of celebrities/famous people that have perished. I did, however, suggest the ability for forumers to express their thoughts on pets/animals within the sticky, if it were allowed.
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FiFi LaFeles said :
On the other hand it would keep all the dead people in one place and dispense with any annoyance for people who find RIP threads to be an issue. Although I daresay some folk would/might see it as inappropriate to have an Obituary thread, for this or that reason.
I see this point and I believe that if someone were to disagree with such a sticky being available, they are more than welcome to never post on it, much like those that disagree with the current RIP threads never engage with them.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Fifi ^_^ .

19-Aug-2020 17:07:47

Mrs Ana

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Hi, Tuffty. Thanks for posting.
Tuffty said :
Greetings. You say you found 31 threads. Thats over 13 months total so thats 2.3 threads per month. Less then 1 thread per 12-13 days. Couldn't be bothered to do the maths so guessed. :p
Yea, that's correct. The point I was trying to make is that instead of having 31 threads for 31 different people that have died, these could have been contained within a sticky. Furthermore, instead of each thread dying , we could keep its history within a sticky.
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Tuffty said :
CM Staff can't edit it as that would mean the F-Mods can't do it any more. So thats the thread dead. Another bad pun. ;)
That's why I added this as a downside to your comment regarding a sticky being edited out. If a CM edits the thread, then you guys can't do it. That's why I suggested a universal title so that F-Mods or CMs do not have to continuously edit the title every single time someone dies.
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Tuffty said :
It has been discussed by Jagex. CM staff and F-Mods and as you can see no sticky thread or no banning them. Jagex are happy for now for them to continue.
Ah, thanks for sharing this. I still believe it does not hurt to see what the community thinks of this idea and that's why I decided to create this thread to gather such thoughts. Additionally, I wanted to clarify that I am not suggesting for these to be banned, per se, but for the RIP threads to be converted into one, sticky thread where all the thoughts/prayers/condolences may be shared.

Thank you, Tuffty ^_^ !

19-Aug-2020 17:14:56 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2020 17:19:41 by Mrs Ana

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No support from me.

Not a fan of them as I find they make the section look cluttered and also knock another thread off the first page. Took me years to help get some previous stickies removed.


Personally I think if it becomes too much of a problem such as when people spam create ask a x thread


then they can be dealt with in a similar manner: locked.

This is a similar problem in that people are seeing them and then copying for shall we say less well known people as I can't recall seeing many in previous years unless somebody famous around the world died such as when David Bowie died.

Maybe lock after a day.


Oh an I hope Kari's thread will be gone at the end of the month if not before.

19-Aug-2020 20:18:16 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2020 20:19:26 by Wilf

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The status quo is workable.

We have not yet reached the level of Off Topic's first page regularly becoming mostly filled by obituary threads. That will be a whole different story altogether. That is something we wish not to happen, fortunately there was no precendent to it.

19-Aug-2020 20:24:07

Mrs Ana

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Hey, Wilf. Thanks for your post.

I see an approach like the one you mentioned workable: If someone posts an RIP thread, then it may stay open for a day or so, allowing users to post their condolences. I like this idea as well; however, I believe something like this has to be added to the Forum Specific Rules and/or Code of Conduct to avoid possible confusion between players and Moderators. Also, the other issue that may arise from this is the amount of locked threads that may be visible after the day has passed.
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Wilf said :
Oh an I hope Kari's thread will be gone at the end of the month if not before.
I do not believe this will be possible without enshrining this new Rule change into the Off-Topic's Forum Specific Rules and/or Code of Conduct. As you are already aware, the Rule regarding politics (and religion for that matter) was completely removed off of the Code of Conduct. It is not current available inside the Off-Topic FSRs. If Mod Kari's sticky is indeed removed, what will be used as proof that political topics have been recently outlawed?

19-Aug-2020 21:23:01

Mrs Ana

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Hi, Louiellen. Thanks for posting.

I see where you are coming from and I too believe it hasn't gotten to that point yet. I just thought that creating a sticky to centralize all RIP threads would be better off than having three different RIP threads on the first page right now. Furthermore, I'm with Wilf's idea of allowing RIP threads to last one day or two; however, we may also have a lot of locked threads after a day.

All in all, I guess we may see where this gets us.

19-Aug-2020 21:23:05

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