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Joel said :
If you're after a definitive list of the do's and donts',

Maynne said :
No fmod can answer your question with a definitive enumeration of do's and don'ts.

Again, I'm not asking for a "definitive list of the do's and donts".

I've already said that:
NexOrigin said :
Joel said :
I'm not going to post an exhaustive list of all the do's and dont's in the same way the Code of Conduct doesn't list out all subjects that are deemed appropriate, or not appropriate.
I'm not asking for that. I'm just asking what definition of "politics" or criteria is being used to determine if a thread is "political".


I'm just looking for some clarity on what definition of "politics" is being used. I've listed specific definitions, and asked if those are included in the definition being used. I didn't get an answer on that.

I'm not asking for some exhaustive list of do's and don't's. I'm just asking "what is considered politics?".

Are we basing it on the root of the word "policy"? Are discussions about office policies considered politics? What about school politics? Would a discussion about "worst school policies" considered politics? What about family politics (ie. household policies)? What about things that are government regulated (ex. stock market)?


I was content at this point:
NexOrigin said :
So if I've got this correct, political discussions (beyond "governments, political leaders, upcoming elections and political movements") are allowed, so long as they aren't "likely to bait, cause conflict and/or create a toxic environment"?

Or have I misinterpreted that?
That was a vague enough explanation that it could be broadly applied, but specific enough to provide good guidance.

But, I didn't even get an answer when I asked if I had interpreted it correctly.
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16-Feb-2021 14:46:57

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And again, "what is considered politics?" is pretty broad.

I can't think of every single thing off the top of my head that may or may not be somewhat linked to politics directly, how connected it may be, how relevant it is in current news and so on (which can change over time).

It's why in instances that are less clear cut, we as a team will often discuss to determine the best course of action and/or escalate to Jagex if necessary.

I also don't want to get drawn into simplistic overviews of what may or may not be ok as we could be here all year. As an example, you mention office, school and family politics.

So picking out family politics as an example, what do you mean? Like rules/policies parents set in the house for their children and/or guests? Or families involved involved in politics? Former seems harmless and not divisive, the latter, not so much.

Again, without seeing the thread and its content, it's hard to determine if it would be suitable or not.

This rule has been in place since last July. There's been no major issues since then or major confusion over "Oh my, what could it mean?!". Just apply common sense. I think my replies across these two pages have described the intent behind the re-introduction of the rule and in broad terms what it could cover.

If you post a thread that the team ends up discussing and/or escalating to Jagex, the worst that can happen is it gets locked and unless any other inappropriate behaviour or context is present, that's all it will be.
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16-Feb-2021 15:11:49

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Tuffty said :


Hope it helps.
Lol. A sense of humor always helps. ^_^



Joel said :
And again, "what is considered politics?" is pretty broad.
So give me a broad definition. I'm not asking for every specific example of politics, I'm just asking for a broad definition of what is considered politics.


Joel said :
I can't think of every single thing off the top of my head that may or may not be somewhat linked to politics directly, how connected it may be, how relevant it is in current news and so on (which can change over time).
Again, for the third time, I'm not asking for that. I'm just asking for clarity on what definition for "politics" is being used. Why do you keep circling back to that? O_o

Joel said :
So picking out family politics as an example, what do you mean? Like rules/policies parents set in the house for their children and/or guests? Or families involved involved in politics? Former seems harmless and not divisive, the latter, not so much.
Okay, so is the determining factor the divisiveness of the topic? I asked this earlier as well, when you made the same type of statement:

NexOrigin said :
So if I've got this correct, political discussions (beyond "governments, political leaders, upcoming elections and political movements") are allowed, so long as they aren't "likely to bait, cause conflict and/or create a toxic environment"?

Or have I misinterpreted that?


This is the second time you're iterated the same basic sentiment.

Am I correct in interpreting that the determining factor on whether or not a political thread would be permitted would be based on if it is "likely to bait, cause conflict and/or create a toxic environment" or is "divisive"?
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16-Feb-2021 15:26:06

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Joel said :
This rule has been in place since last July. There's been no major issues since then or major confusion over "Oh my, what could it mean?!". Just apply common sense. I think my replies across these two pages have described the intent behind the re-introduction of the rule and in broad terms what it could cover.
I'm not interested in the "intent" behind the rule. I know why it was instituted. I was there.

You've again stated "Just apply common sense" even after I've explained that if something isn't common knowledge, it can't be common sense. If you believe that it's simply "common sense" then please provide the common knowledge that I'm requesting. If you can't explain it when requested, then how can you expect it to be "common sense"?

It's nice that you think you've explained it to me, but, I'm sitting here just as confused as when I started. lol




Maybe just try explaining it to me like I'm just your average 13 year who just saw the rules that say "Political discussions prohibited" and I asked "What does political mean?".
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16-Feb-2021 15:39:41

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NexOrigin said :
So if I've got this correct, political discussions (beyond "governments, political leaders, upcoming elections and political movements") are allowed, so long as they aren't "likely to bait, cause conflict and/or create a toxic environment"?

Or have I misinterpreted that?
I'm not about to make a blanket statement saying yes to the above because it lacks much needed context and if I were to just say yes, you've then got an FMod saying "An Fmod under these conditions said political discussions are allowed" and it's devoid of any context given I have no idea what it is you may be thinking of posting, how it'll be worded and how specific or broadly it touches on subjects so it's more of a case-by-case basis.

I've laid out in all of my posts, in broad terms, the main intent behind the rule and explained the team reserves the right to exercise judgement on a case-by-case basis, to discuss as a team if necessary and also escalate to Jagex if absolutely needed.
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16-Feb-2021 15:48:01

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NexOrigin said :
Maybe just try explaining it to me like I'm just your average 13 year who just saw the rules that say "Political discussions prohibited" and I asked "What does political mean?".
But you're not 13, and not an individual who struggles with understanding things, so its a waste of everyone's time (which at this point maybe your intent here) to play out this scenario.
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