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Blasty
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Hi everyone :)

I thought it might be interesting to have a thread in HLF about simulating consciousness.

Do you know whether or not it's possible for your computer/smart phone to simulate consciousness?

What is consciousness? What makes us conscious?

What would a computer with consciousness do?

If you believe it's not possible, what makes it not possible? Will it ever be possible?

If you believe it is possible, why do you think it hasn't been done yet? (has it been done yet?)

Looking forward to reading your responses to do with consciousness :)

Edit:
According to this article, we could see simulation of the human brain within the next 10 years. http://bigthink.com/going-mental/can-computers-be-conscious
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20-Sep-2016 22:42:06

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possible eventually? can never say never.

limitations would be hard drives capable of storing and continuing to store the apporiate memories. movies like ex machina get through this problem interestingly enough by "finding" futuristic storage devices to program. i remember reading somewhere about light based storage devices in the future, not sure if that's possible at all (or was it lazer? can't really remember).

the other would obviously be programing, can't just have it googling everything for an answer someone else gave it, would have to make some pretty damn good coding to allow realistic thought patterns.
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20-Sep-2016 23:01:32

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meh, dont know, dont care, whenever that happens humans will become obsolete and the robots will kill us all to progress, thats how history has worked for ages
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20-Sep-2016 23:53:26

Blasty
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[#E4WUPK1P0] said :
We can't have computers that are self-aware, nor capable of learning (like we do), until P has been proven to equal NP.

Thanks for your response!

I had a look at the wikipedia page and didn't find any references to consciousness in it :O It demonstrated lots of theoretical mathematical and algorithmic problems related to the P=NP problem though.

I do see how there might be a relation, but to some extent, it sounds like saying that a caveman can't create fire until he knows the chemical formula for combustion. Vaccinations were discovered rather than proven and has boosted life expectancy dramatically since, Percy Spencer invented the microwave after accidentally melting something while handling electronics, and George de Mestral invented Velcro after observing that his socks stuck to his dog.

Given that we don't actually know the answer to N=NP, nothing's to say humanity won't create a piece of machinery that simulates consciousness before things like N=NP are proven. It could even contribute to finding the answer :p
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29-Sep-2016 17:24:59 - Last edited on 29-Sep-2016 17:25:50 by Blasty

Blasty
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Weyburns said :
limitations would be hard drives capable of storing and continuing to store the apporiate memories. movies like ex machina get through this problem interestingly enough by "finding" futuristic storage devices to program. i remember reading somewhere about light based storage devices in the future, not sure if that's possible at all (or was it lazer? can't really remember).

Limitations of space and computation would definitely be a factor. Computational efficiency has been increasing exponentially over time, so I'd hope that we reach a point that is as good as the brain before reaching a technological limit. Earlier this month, purified carbon nanotubes were created in a lab that performed better than the best silicon transistors. Also, just this week, scientists managed to create a mirror made of just 1000 atoms, which could potentially be part of light-based electronics in future.

HTTPS://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/PPTExponentialGrowthof_Computing.jpg
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0904/For-the-first-time-carbon-nanotubes-beat-silicon-transistors
https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/physicists-build-mirrors-from-just-1-000-atoms
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29-Sep-2016 17:37:48

Blasty
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Weyburns said :
the other would obviously be programing, can't just have it googling everything for an answer someone else gave it, would have to make some pretty damn good coding to allow realistic thought patterns.

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I think there are two main approaches for replicating the brain: replicating from an existing brain, and replicating the process that created the brain.

Replicating an existing brain is a complex task because of the challenges of mapping the ~100 billion neurons and ~100 trillion synapses. It's a challenge that's being undertaken by the BRAIN initiative, and it's a big and expensive project.
https://www.braininitiative.nih.gov/

I haven't really seen much about research into replicating the process that created the brain. The complexity in the brain is a result of billions of years of evolution, so if that process could somehow be emulated and sped up, it could be another way to generate something brain-like.
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29-Sep-2016 17:42:49

Blasty
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Squallsy said :
meh, dont know, dont care, whenever that happens humans will become obsolete and the robots will kill us all to progress, thats how history has worked for ages

Let's hope that the partnership between Google, Facebook, Amazon, IBM and Microsoft setup this week will help to solve that problem :P

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/28/google-facebook-amazon-ibm-microsoft-partnership-on-ai-tech-firms
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