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Nelson said :
i like the subsection idea a lot more than the "live feed" concept. love the description of the twitter forum lol, reminds me of your rant.

the "useful" tweets are usually replies to other players. i'm not sure if you'd be able to incorporate that or even want to.

that's the one thing that annoys me about this whole conversation. looking at the jmod list isn't enough, you have to dig through their 15 different convos to find all the useful/relevant info of whatever they just teased.
Oh you saw that rant hehe :)

Really appreciate your feedback too :)

AoDude said :
Oh yeah, I wouldn't expect consistency to be sacrificed. I can agree that is something that shouldn't be compromised.

While I knew there were some coding errors made with the forum software/web pages, and that I wouldn't expect some jmods to close tags properly/ect; I didn't know that it was so bad it could cause such errors. And like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if it were a can of worms, and that is exactly what it sounds like now.

I am at a loss for more brainstorms at the moment, but I will keep things in my mind, see if anything turns up...

Keep it coming by all means. This is really good for me. As for the error thing, being accumulative is the big issue. The J-Mod posts, the problem there is I can't do anything about it during an ajax request. I have to push the content into the DOM (this means scripts fire) and there's no turning back is something goes wrong. Since RS Linkify explicitly uses strict mode, it makes this even more unforgiving.

Just want to say big thank you. I really like what you have to suggest. I really hate it when I have reservations about good ideas. I'm not one to be reluctant for the sake of it and I'm glad you get that :)

Anyway, time for me to sleep on it. Tomorrow's a brand new day and with it comes new inspiration.... I hope :)

09-Jun-2016 20:25:03

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Some merits of the forum section method, is I am guessing you would use indecentcode hosting as the backend loaded in to the fake thread view pages. If so, you can do things that nobody else has done.

Not sure if I have posted it here, but scapersden is down, but I haven't heard why exactly. They had a script that cashed all jmods posts from the forum, twitter, and reddit. But as Nelson said, most of the tweets were more personal, less related to the game.

If it were implimented that way, since you have flexibility you could make an up vote down vote type system with decay algorythems. Then inform players to up vote game related content/relent discussion ; and down vote personal non game related content. Hand it off to php pages in indy code, store it in a database, and then that effects how your php pages hand it off the next time to linkify.

In that way, the most relevant info goes to the top, and people can see in one place everything going on, and with links to the sources, have a chance to go have their say if they want...
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09-Jun-2016 21:33:45 - Last edited on 09-Jun-2016 21:48:43 by AoDude

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I'm not sure what happened to Jtalk. They seemed to do what they did very well.

I don't know how they monitored jmod posts here. Perhaps they scraped every known J-Mod's profile daily.

I would have thought that their Jtalk feature alone would have pulled in enough traffic to make their site sustainable. I'm sure there are many who miss it now its gone.

Perhaps it was other commitments. Time or lack of has been the demise of many good sites.

Maybe the average post by jmods isn't so relevant to the average user. Or perhaps all of the above.

One thing I can say, is all this social media stuff seems to work backwards in a strangely logical way. Strangely because of the unexpected logic I guess. Look at the amount of reddit users, then compare the rate at new topics are made plus look at the amount of posts made.

The average reddit user contributes pretty much nothing to discussion if their numbers are anything to go by. Sure they are clicking + and - buttons but that's not active discussion.

My observations are limited, over time I'll get a bigger picture. But compared to RSOF, there is actually more discussion (20 times more at least) that goes on here per user. I could eat my words after more observations. But these are my initial impressions.

There is actually a point to all this. We can conclude that in general, reddit content is most relevant to reddit users. Twitter content is most relevant to twitter users. Largely because of how users interact. Remember interaction is mostly via upvotes/likes/retweets/etc, not discussion. But the opposite not necessarily applies. Meaning RSOF posts are more likely to have relevance beyond the RSOF.

So maybe if jTalk pulled all the good stuff from the RSOF and put it on reddit and twitter, it would have been more successful. Might sound crazy or really obvious, not sure. Maybe I've had too much coffee, but I think there is some truth to this...

You have to do it backwards!

10-Jun-2016 03:19:25 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2016 04:08:34 by Indecent Act

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Except, I didn't really see info moved from rsof to twitter/reddit, unless the jmod intentionally posted in both places... In reality, I don't explicitly know that jtalk was very popular, I used it a lot... After it went down, I posted on reddit to see if anyone had info, no responses/60% upvoted. However, I do miss it immensely... I probably stalked the jmods a little much, but I stayed informed more than most.

Indecent Act said :
Perhaps they scraped every known J-Mod's profile daily.

I think that is key, they did it semi frequently too, not just once a day. You could find new posts within 5-10 mins of it being put up. Obviously not the ones in specialist forums, but it worked well.

That niche isn't currently being filled though, and I have no idea if they will ever come to reclaim that niche.

Edit: In reality, each of RSOF/Twitter/Reddit serve different niches. Reddit is about bringing OC to light, or other content of interest. Twitter is for short/directness. RSOF allows long detailed feedback.

Nothing really exists past the first page of reddit, even though everything lasts forever. That allows that concentrated amount of content a lot of exposure. Twitter is largely too limited for a lot of stuff, but because of that it allows everyone to be able to contact jmods directly. RSOF is the least used by jmods, but logically it should be the most useful. But technical limitations keep jmods posts rather hidden, so they resort to other social media because it speaks to a larger audience...
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10-Jun-2016 04:02:16 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2016 04:21:46 by AoDude

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I can now see why you suggested a vote system with decay algorithms.

I mean I can see why it's needed. But we already have it.


The twitter users are already doing it for us. If I were to pull tweets from jmods, I'd make RS Linkify only pull in liked and retweeted Jmod posts.

Don't see the point of bringing in content that no one has liked. No need to do the work when it's already been done. I'm sure this could be applied to other social media too.

10-Jun-2016 04:21:33

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Indecent Act said :
I can now see why you suggested a vote system with decay algorithms.

I mean I can see why it's needed. But we already have it.


The twitter users are already doing it for us. If I were to pull tweets from jmods, I'd make RS Linkify only pull in liked and retweeted Jmod posts.

Don't see the point of bringing in content that no one has liked. No need to do the work when it's already been done. I'm sure this could be applied to other social media too.

So I see you found the jmod that did 12 food porn posts back to back :P

Edit: Although, it should be considered that people will like things on twitter that don't relate to game content. People will spam down-vote things that aren't popular, but are relevant on reddit.
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10-Jun-2016 04:22:50 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2016 04:27:15 by AoDude

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I'm glad to say I didn't.

I guess you're saying that's the kind of content that will be pulled in basing of likes and retweets. You're right.

But it can't be assumed that what gets voted up by one system will get voted down by a different system. In fact I don't think that's likely to happen at all.

I think basing on retweets/likes is much better than asking RS Linkify users to filter out the rubbish. That just doesn't sit well for me. Not saying it couldn't work but it doesn't feel right.

Not sure about reddit, to me the same applies unless I'm not understanding...

Good stuff can be lost. But if it can't even been seen there because its down voted to oblivion, what difference does that really make? Nothing can be done about that as far as I'm aware. After all RS Linkify is only pulling headlines as such.

10-Jun-2016 04:32:01 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2016 04:44:47 by Indecent Act

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The other option would be pull in everything, and show it in chronological order, like jtalk used to. But you are almost better off leaving twitter out because only a low percentage of tweets are relevant... Many times I would filter twitter, because it really wasn't worth reading to find the useful bits.

I am not really sure how, but finding relevant tweets was/is easier on twitter. Maybe it is because I have so many runescape follows, and relevant info is more likely to show up in my feed multiple times.
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10-Jun-2016 04:40:49

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Indecent Act said :
After all RS Linkify is only pulling headlines as such.

Actually, it is just as easy to scrape jmod profiles on reddit, rather than all of /r/runescape. Infact, I am thinking it may be better that way than pulling in the other bits of /r/runescape.

For instance, Mod Infinity's profile in rss: https://www.reddit.com/user/jagexinfinity/.rss
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