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2023

Dsctatom

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I would imagine that would've been an oversight; I never expected to be allowed to use one there.

23-Jul-2015 23:33:26

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2021

Llumys

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Thanks for the formatting help. I didn't know missing brackets ruined entire posts.

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Edimmu (255) > Airut (420) > Dark Beasts (920) > Abyssal demons (950) > Waterfiends (710, melee)

OPTION #3

Time: 669 hours
Slayer: 187,000,000 xp (max)
Melee: 381,000,000 xp (15,000,000 surplus)
Ranged: 24,000,000 xp
Magic: 2,000,000 xp
Profit: 2,300,000,000 gp

Ranged difference: 121.0m - 24.0m = 97.0m
Time added: (97.0m)/(0.7m/h) = 128.6h
Profit added: (128.6h)*(10m gp/h) = 1.29b gp

Magic difference: 84.5m - 2.0m = 82.5m
Time added: (84.5m)/(0.75m/h) = 112.6h
Profit added: (112.6h)*(10m gp/h) = 1.13b gp

Defense (surplus) difference: 0.0m - 15.0m = -15.0m
Time added: (-15.0m)/(0.6m/h) = -25h
Profit added

-25h)(10m gp/h) = -0.25b gp

Total time : 669h + 128.6h + 112.6h - 25h = 885 hours
Total profit : -2.3b + 1.29b + 1.13b - 0.25b = 4.47b gp

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COMPARISONS

Numbers

OPTION #1
Total time: 723 hours
Total profit: 0 gp

OPTION #2
Total time: 777 hours
Total profit: 1.42b gp

OPTION #3
Total time: 885 hours
Total profit: 4.47b gp

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Option #1 vs Option #2

Time difference: 54 hours
Profit difference: 1.42b gp
TVC: 26.3m/h

Option #1 vs Option #3

Time difference: 162 hours
Profit difference: 4.47b
TVC: 27.6m/h

Option #2 vs Option #3

Time difference: 108 hours
Profit difference: 3.05b
TVC: 28.2m/h

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CONCLUSION

If you are able to make over 25m/h, then the difference between the three options is negligible.

Looks like you were about right, Lifer.

I still think 25m/h is pretty damn high, though.

24-Jul-2015 00:19:31 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2015 00:44:10 by Llumys

Jul

2008

Lifer

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I'm not sure how to read the TVC, TVC is vague like

Llumys said :
Option #2 vs Option #3

Time difference: 108 hours
Profit difference: 3.05b
TVC: 28.2m/h

You need to be making 28.2m/h+ in order to do option #2 over #3 yes?

So option #3 is the best of all?

24-Jul-2015 01:11:22

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2021

Llumys

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Yeah. I'm not sure if my numbers and calculations are all accurate (I could have easily messed up), but I've always thought that not doing Edimmu required a very high TVC.

In the context of infinite money, they're not an ideal task, but 9m gp/h on 400k melee xp/h is very good if the 600k melee xp/h in the Abyss isn't AFK enough to allow for making money on an alt.

A down-side of doing Edimmu is that their summoning to slayer ratio is very poor.

Edimmu > Airut > Dark beasts > Abyssal demons > Waterfiends only yields ~68m summoning from 13m to 200m slayer.

I'm unsure of how this affects the big picture as I don't know the numbers for charms in the Abyss or charms from thieving.

24-Jul-2015 01:18:39 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2015 01:55:50 by Llumys

Jul

2008

Lifer

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Llumys said :
Edimmu > Airut > Dark beasts > Abyssal demons > Waterfiends only yields ~68m summoning from 13m to 200m slayer.

Hm, lets see:

dxpw + raf (2x due to dxpw)+ 6% ava + full shaman + 5% charm saving effect from modified shaman headdress (can translate into 5% more exp, but actually 10% more exp thanks to dxpw.)

(68+68) + (68*.2) + (68*.06) + (68*.06) + (68*.1)

136 + (68*.42)

136 + 28.56 = 164.56 (+13m) = 177.56

If we throw in summoning focus though, it's like 2,300 gp per as of last night (they double to 40% instead of 20% during dxpw)

136 + (68*.82)

136 + 55.76 = 191.76 (+13m) = 204.76

Pretty spot on, plus you could make some profit selling excess summoning focus during dxpw if you buy focuses now

It's why I said ratio of summoning to slayer is acceptable as low as 0.4:1

The option 3 is 0.36:1 and barely made it.

Some people may have been shit out of luck and doesn't have the headdress add-on so that's a whole 10% missing. So around 0.4:1 is good.

24-Jul-2015 02:13:10 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2015 02:15:17 by Lifer

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2021

Llumys

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177 is only 10 short, since you start at 13, so you don't even need focuses provided you have the headdress and get some charms through thieving.

If there were a greater surplus, some of the blues could be used at Amlodd on VoS.

Good to know it works out.

Also, I'm 99% sure you can't bring a cannon into the Edimmu resource dungeon.

24-Jul-2015 02:39:39 - Last edited on 24-Jul-2015 06:31:06 by Llumys

Feb

2015

Endeavour

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Even if 200M Slayer is not going to get you the charms you need, there are alternatives to Abyss training, like cannoning Dagannoth, ranging Waterfiends, and maging Glacors, if you need the charms. If Glacors on task are 800K Mage XP/h (going by Wise Thoth's numbers), then I would imagine they're a pretty decent alternative to Abyss off-task too, considering their nice charm drop rate. Signatures are overrated.

24-Jul-2015 07:56:11

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2021