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UtaChao

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So yeah I read bits of that parliament doc, I'm british so I can't access the other link.

But what's your point? From what I can tell, there is some kind of plan to limit mtx, which I genuinely think is a good thing.

Edit:

Okay, so I read the reddit. People are pissed. I don't give a shit about mtx so I don't really care tbh. I think the minute they increased xp rates, first ivy and eventually agil in prif, the achievement part of the game was devalued. I've been here since 2005 /2006 and in that time I've gone from being super stoked for getting 99's to being nonplussed for getting 200m's.

I currently have 11.1m slayer bonus xp, all from mtx which I haven't bought. I'll probably eventually get 120, I really cba right now, and I'll use it all, but it's still loads for doing nothing.

In the end game, mtx won't really affect us, but it is a slipperly slope. They say T80s are going to TH, but you can get T85s for free through pop, and T90s aren't too expensive. I think when they raise def to 120, p2w T80s won't feel so rough. You can't aug it anyway so what does it really matter?
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18-Sep-2019 00:05:06 - Last edited on 18-Sep-2019 00:45:51 by UtaChao

J R Kerr
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please accept that I am what the kids call a "whale." I have VIP membership, bought extra bank space, bought presets, bought ability bars, bought keepsake keys. Im not much for the game of chance end of things, though, and have done most of that spending pixel gold for bonds for th keys. I think. I have a metacognitive handle on my addiction to this game, and I am absolutely not one of the minmaxers memeing about MTX.

so my real fear is that it winds up not being up to jagex or the community of addicted players to eclipse an armed raid of their business incubator. police of almost every country, including japan, come in massive numbers when raiding to secure thumb drives, file cabinets, etc. I think the idea is that those who are spooked will attempt to swallow a thumbdrive or something and then they know who to tackle.

I dont think its happened overnight, and I dont think canceling TH is prudent, nor would it be enough. A larger conversation at Jagex about the culture of ethics, and how to facilitate it is probably the better way to go.

For instance... the price check/price fixing threads in item discussion... thats a phenomenon that existed before yelps or TH, and its pretty much a crime all over the UK, so that could be moderated a lot differently. Its kinda clear that the mods from osrs who were arrested for hacking were moving the more high profile items that are currently price fixed. They didnt generate and move thousands of dwarf handcannons to friends to make 200m inv xp in a few days or anything slightly more subtle. Those arrested jagex mods went big. Armour and weapons.

Jagex is about to employ a whole new community team already having dismissed Lee, Meadows, and... I think his name is Maz? Its more than a few. The new community team would be erroneous in thinking the best way for them to proceed would be contests, raffles, and even more games of chance, right?
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18-Sep-2019 01:51:15

UtaChao

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I wouldn't say you were a whale, I mean you've spent cash on utility items rather than for xp. I have spent on xp in the past, used to buy keys every pay cheque but I stopped about 5 years ago.

TH will never be cancelled for many reasons, one being that it generates profits (while only a third allegedly [your link] of income)

Another is that the playerbase is used to it and that kind of immediate transition away from it would be like forcing an alcoholic to suddenly quit drinking, sudden death.

I think ultimately that while the chinese owns the game (not sure if that's still the case) this game will be pumped for all its worth. That won't be much in the long term.

I'm not sure why jagex ethos is always ignoring the playerbase, but one thing is for sure, while it does, this game will only go downhill. I like this game, but currently I have no interest in it other than afk skilling, anything else I see no point in.
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18-Sep-2019 02:01:02

J R Kerr
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Yeah its a capital gains fraudster who also owns the Detroit Pistons that owns Jagex now.

"Loot crate" legislation that bars minors is the newest news on this, and its happened in more than one EU country now, and I know Brexit must make it feel like theyre immune, but...

I do know that self-regulation by different industries like... the MPAA rating films meant the War Film boards didnt need to dictate terms to Hollywood.

Strangely I have pals who work at both the SEC and at FINRA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-regulatory_organization
and while I am no fan of the banks, I do have to point out that FINRA's existence has kept the SEC off of Wall Street... to a fault.

I keep mentioning that "rifles at low ready" bit because troops occupying Iraq or Afghanistan are not allowed to patrol with rifles at low ready. It upsets the locals. So what happens when any country's gambling police arrive is that its worse than being invaded by a foreign army.

So TH ought to remain, but its probably going to have to shed most of the purple lucky item things, and its probably going to have to have new limits that prevent addicts from going broke. That new "double spins for a month" thing seems the better way forward. Thats probably going to have to be the new cap.

edit/add: not saying to remove lucky items either, but they'd have to migrate to something like the oddments shop. less chance to it.
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18-Sep-2019 12:38:37 - Last edited on 18-Sep-2019 12:42:08 by J R Kerr

Archaeox
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All your claims about police bursting in with guns and tanks are highly amusing to those of us who aren't Americans.

Otherwise, you seem to be saying that Jagex will have to adapt to legislative change. Well duh, so does every company. Why waste so many words saying so?
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18-Sep-2019 14:10:58 - Last edited on 18-Sep-2019 14:11:47 by Archaeox

UtaChao

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Archaeox said :
All your claims about police bursting in with guns and tanks are highly amusing to those of us who aren't Americans.

Otherwise, you seem to be saying that Jagex will have to adapt to legislative change. Well duh, so does every company. Why waste so many words saying so?

If you're british you might see that as less amusing than you seem to think. We have no parliament and a deep divide so great that civil war is no longer an impossibility. Doesn't take much to descend into chaos.

Anyway, without parliament, legislation can't be made and Jagex is covered by that fact so they won't be forced to do anything any time soon.

Self-regulation is what weak governments allow because they're powerless to put in real regulation. Have you looked at the Uk recently?
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18-Sep-2019 15:19:05

UtaChao

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Archaeox said :
UtaChao said :
If you're british you might see that as less amusing than you seem to think.
I am British, thanks for asking.

Then wait a while and you won't find the idea of police with guns bursting in funny.
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18-Sep-2019 15:29:21 - Last edited on 18-Sep-2019 15:29:38 by UtaChao

J R Kerr
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Exactly. Jagex has allowed many stories like this to unfold without seeking the root of the problem.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-02-09-runescape-player-swatted-in-front-of-60k-twitch-viewers

That article describes how a 10 year old opened the door to stormtroopers with rifles at low ready, visors down, shields up, ready to breach if need be. Thats more than what happens AT WAR. But it was just happening to gamers... not the employees of the company, so they kinda ignored it.

They could have gone looking for the money. Like... which of these players camped in "price checking" chats are embroiling themselves in competition eliminating pursuits like "price fixing" and then also propped up by celebrity vblog at youtube, or stream at twitch PAID gamers. Clearly its not teenage girls having a hissy. Adults who make money drive those swatting incidents.

Differently... disgruntled former employees now complaining to the UK Gambling Commission and generating more reports of problems with loot boxes, minors, etc... and thats in the climate of political news catalyzed by paid lobbyists for the NRA or right wing who need a scapegoat. They want to blame games for mass shootings again, right? So they will authorize new audits. Thats happening now. Happening differently than before.

Now is the right time for Jagex to decide to self-regulate and report that they have self regulated. If they ignore my advice, fine, because who the fuck am I, right? But if their risk management team sees what I am saying and they realize "oh shit. Kerr is right" then they can take all the credit, justify their job, and I helped keep this game here for me to play. No problem.
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18-Sep-2019 15:44:27

J R Kerr
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and the notion that the UK precludes armed raids is poorly formed. I found a bunch of examples of it really easy with google.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/officer-disciplined-after-armed-police-raid-wrong-address-35338487.html

perhaps it doesnt happen with impunity, which would be different than Texas, where most police are like Judge Dredd, but it does happen.
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18-Sep-2019 15:50:27

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