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Singularity
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You should still post your PC specs. No one can really help without those. They tell us more about your machine and from that we can determine if it's just NXT being silly, or simply a limitation of your current system.

Based on what you've described though, I am guessing it is an old machine with weak hardware that's not built to run an application like the NXT client. It's heavily demanding for much older machines.

Java ran entirely off the CPU and barely touched the GPU. NXT uses both, but focuses a lot more on the GPU. If the GPU is not up to scratch, problems will occur. The GPU is usually the sole cause of people that relied on Java finding themselves unable to play comfortably on NXT. This is especially true on very old graphical chips with old drivers that are no longer supported by the manufacturer.

Also, if you have a very slow hard drive, with a speed of 5400RPM, that can also cause problems with loading. These drives are slow and often busy with OS-related stuff (not uncommon to see a 5400RPM HDD constantly be at 100% disk usage for a long time). Hell, if you go back far enough in time, some machines will have SATA 2 (we're on SATA 3 now) drives, which are even slower. That would definitely cause problems with the game loading things in-game as loading is dependant on the speed of the drive. Nowadays, machines are equipped with SSDs which are considerably faster. .

25-Feb-2020 22:58:34

Singularity
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Santah Khan said :
Why would anyone purchase a new computer, when the old still works? Do you live in a disposable society?

Because if you find that your computer is no longer running what you need it to run, which in your case is RS3, then you have no choice but to upgrade if you want to end your struggles - this is if it's determined the cause of your issue is not the application, but the hardware you have. You haven't posted your PC specifications, though, so I can't say if it's your PC or NXT.

Computers don't last forever and eventually need to be replaced by something better. That's just how it is.

You're playing a game that regularly updates and adds new things. Depending on what type of machine you have, it's unlikely going to keep up with those changes forever. They'll be software updates here and there to help it for a while, but unless you have a heavily customisable machine, the hardware will pretty much stay the same. Eventually, this hardware falls behind with the times and is no longer performing as good as it once was for the task you want it to run (e.g. a game that updates). If you research well and purchase a good machine, it'll take many years for your machine to become obsolete for what you need it for.

The only way it would stay the same if is the application you're running also stayed the same and received no updates. You probably wouldn't need to change your PC until it died if this was the case. It's not for RS, though.

Santah Khan said :
Has anyone looked at Jagex's minimum computer specs, to play Run

I find them inaccurate and not something to be trusted. It's why people generally ask players on the tech support forum or Reddit for the recommended PC specs. The ones Jagex provide are not good. .

25-Feb-2020 23:14:20 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2020 23:22:09 by Singularity

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Santah Khan said :
Sereg said :

If you're unwilling to make a hardware upgrade, have you bothered to adjust your graphical settings down?

At first I made a real reply, but when it posted and I read over it for accuracy I noticed your condescending attitude. Have I bothered...

When you get off your high horse, is when you should start trying to assist people. As long as you talk as if the other person has not tried to fix it themselves, you won't be much help.

Whether you find it condescending or not, I asked with the intention of prompting you to make changes on your own that would solve your problems, or at least responding with information that would allow someone to offer you a more precise and helpful response.

If you've removed that response which would have provided someone who could help you with better information in reaction to my perceived attitude, that only makes it harder for someone to help you.

And I might add that the sarcasm and "wit", as well as the excessive length, of your own posts up until someone who wasn't you contributed to the thread, don't say much for the positivity and openness of your own attitude.

But proceed as you will. Even if you find my response condescending, I did at least attempt to help with a problem that appears to be to be entirely of your own causing. You know what you need to do - downgrade your graphics or upgrade your hardware. If you've done those and that hasn't helped you, let people know so they can revise their analysis of your problem.

If you haven't done either, then stop complaining on the forums, or at least don't expect people to take you seriously when you do so.
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26-Feb-2020 02:34:09 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2020 02:37:36 by Sereg

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Or we could have Jagex upgrade their servers.

My slowest computer is the one I use for work related, and there isn't anything I can do about upgrading it. Duo Core(2), E6550, Running 2.33 Ghz, and 4 G Ram. Using a 2TB hard drive, 7200 rpm drive, with 120 Gb remaining. 32 bit. Radeon Graphics 5450 1Gb

I checked for the basics of my best computer that has these same issues. I7, 3rd gen, 3770, 8 Gb Ram, also using a 2 TB hard drive, 7200 rpm. 64 bit. Intell Graphics unknown

The computer at the cabin, that I won't be at for a few more days, is an I5, 8Gb Ram, 2TB hard drive, 7200 rpm. bit. Radeon Graphics 5450 2Gb

All are using Windows 10, 1909 ver.

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The reason I say perhaps it's a server issue, is around reset, when the most players are typically on in the USA, the slowness of refreshing game information after teleporting to a new area, is definitely at it's slowest and most noticeable. When I play six to nine hours later, it is much less noticeable and sometimes non-existent -- on the same computer, with the same load, etc etc.

See, when a computer runs a game just fine on off peak times, but bogs down during high-peak ones, I tend to look elsewhere for an issue.

I'm not totally in the dark about computers. I started programming the VAX in 1982. What were you doing in 1982? My first PC (although we called them IBM compatibles back then) entered my house in 1988. I started repairing PCs in 1993 (we fixed circuit cards back then, not just swapping out a bad one). My first IT job maintaining servers didn't happen until 2003 though. And shortly afterwards, I retired in 2005. Taking on a role of computer maintenance for a small outfit that only had 16 computers, till 2015 when I retired more fully.

Which takes me to today, where I see what happens to the game. I play during times all over the clock, and notice and make note of performance from servers, ping time, and internet traffic.

26-Feb-2020 17:40:46

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Do you encounter different levels of performance on different computers? Specifically, is there a noticeable difference between the computers with the Radeons and the one with only the native GPU?

Do you have the latest drivers for all your graphics cards?

Do you encounter different performance on different game worlds(that is, when connected to different Jagex servers)?
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26-Feb-2020 18:37:18

CaptKoloth
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Java is actually being pushed out of the internet entirely in not too distant future. So NXT is not going anywhere. For your information, OSRS does not use it either. How I know, I do not have java installed on my machine and the OSRS vanilla cliant works perfectly.

26-Feb-2020 20:12:37

Singularity
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CaptKoloth said :
Java is actually being pushed out of the internet entirely in not too distant future. So NXT is not going anywhere. For your information, OSRS does not use it either. How I know, I do not have java installed on my machine and the OSRS vanilla cliant works perfectly.

OSRS is still based on Java. It just doesn't require you to install Java on your machine as the client already has it embedded. .

28-Feb-2020 05:25:00 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2020 05:27:09 by Singularity

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Santah Khan said :
My slowest computer is the one I use for work related, and there isn't anything I can do about upgrading it.

You could pop in an SSD in any of those machines as all of them are using mechanical drives, which are slower than SSDs. SSDs are perhaps the biggest upgrade you can make to an existing, older machine. It can breath new life into it as loading becomes so much faster. I've done this on pretty much every machine that used a normal HDD - you notice performance boosts instantly. You'd be surprised. Once you go SSD, you never go back to HDD for normal operation.

An SSD would definitely help loading new areas, even at peak times. New areas load instantly on all my machines with SSDs. I've tried playing on machines with just standard HDDs and it is noticeably slower.

As for the servers, yes, they are terrible and cannot handle more than 300 people before you start to see latency problems. Delays will occur once a world gets busy. If you notice lag during peak times, you may want to look at the world player count. If it's high (300+), consider hopping worlds.

Make sure the world you're using has both the lowest possible ping and player count. You want worlds with ideally below 250 players. The lower, the better.

You can wait all you want for Jagex to actually bother fixing their issues (the servers), or try to find ways to improve your situation, whether that be lowering settings, switching worlds, or even upgrading something in your PC (e.g. move to an SSD drive).

I'd much prefer taking action myself rather than wait for Jagex. Issues such as server lag and client stability are not their priority, even though they should be. We've been asking for server improvements for years, and still nada. So you'll be waiting forever and suffering with issues until they decide to make changes, which could be months from now or in the year 2030. Hell, maybe they'll never fix it the way we want. .

28-Feb-2020 05:40:23 - Last edited on 28-Feb-2020 05:42:25 by Singularity

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