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Santah Khan
Jul Member 2004

Santah Khan

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There went the game. at 2354 the game crashed. Just froze, right when I was running around last minute trying to get stuff done before reset.

Here it is 0015, and the game still won't play. Sometimes the client just suffers from an error, and sometimes I get all the way into the game, standing next to the Crystal Tree in Priff, and that's where the game crashes.

No other client option. Have you ever heard of the boy that put all his eggs in one basket?

25-Feb-2020 00:16:35

Santah Khan
Jul Member 2004

Santah Khan

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30 minutes, almost exactly. I must have suffered a dozen ''The Runescape Client suffered from an error'' when it tries to Loading Application Resources.

Then, without changing anything, I try again. Then it works.

Amazing. The Technical pages, when we follow them : can't log in. Asks the really intelligent questions>

Do I know my screen name, e-mail address, and password. Did I get a notice saying my account was locked.

How about a technical page to get the darn client to load properly?

To get the game to not freeze upon log in?

I know there are a lot of technical issues, but... the Java Client, didn't have them. I should record the screen.

I teleport. I land on a completely blue screen, and if I click to move, my legs don't work, but I kind of scoot across the air. Then the ground appears, and slowly features of the game appear. Sure hope I'm not looking for a fallen star d&d. Sometimes the star appears first, sometimes not at all.

I've gotten to one. I know, because people are standing around it, mining a large blank spot in the game. And I continue to stand there, not being able to click, because the star never materializes. But hey, it's not limited to stars. I know there is a bank chest... I just have to wait for it to appear, so I can click it. I can see the dragon droppings in POF, but I can't click on it yet. I know the house portal will be there, oh there it is, no, can't enter my house, because there is nothing to click. Oh yes, The Nature altar, finally appeared, but, no can't click it, but if I keep my mouse right in the middle, I know eventually it will turn into a click-able red-X.

And someone thought that the New Client, was better. Someone needs to check the air quality, cause someone is smokin' some really good #$&@ (stuff).

25-Feb-2020 00:52:20

Santah Khan
Jul Member 2004

Santah Khan

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And why it the client so stupid?

Why does the game have to pre-load the bank icons, every time I log out of the game? If the client is still running, can't it remember them?

There used to be a time, that the game created all of the icons, trees, and everything else just magically, instead of having to load an overlay, then another one, and another, and finally the finished project.

If you don't understand that, watch how many times a tree has to load an overlay, before the leaves appear.

First it's a tree, barren of all leaves. Then it's a tree, with a bunch of white boxes where the leaves will be. Then the white boxes, turn into green boxes with some lines in them. Then the lined green boxes flash again, and finally the leaves appear. How many times do the overlays need to load, before it gets to the correct one? We could probably speed up the game, if we just loaded one overlay - tree, and correct leaves.

That's like watching POF appear. First a blue screen, then the ground forms, the fences, the agil-style becomes clickable to enter/exit, the animals, any droppings, then droppings are clickable, we can see the xp scrolling up the screen, but we can't see shoveling yet. That happens in another couple of overlays. At some point the egg collector girl becomes a hazy green batch of dots, then becomes a click-able hazy green batch of dots, then becomes a farm worker.

Yes, I'm aware that I can set the game to show me nothing but a black screen, while the game overlays, overlay. The problem, if I teleport in to a monster cave, the critters can attack me, but I can't do anything back (except for auto-retaliate), for the duration of the big black screen. It's a pain to change it back and forth. Wildy teleport, I'm attackable, but I can't even click to run away, with a big black screen.

It's the same pause when logging into the game. What pause? Get two computers. With one, log in to the location that another character of yours will be standing.

25-Feb-2020 01:25:11 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2020 01:32:47 by Santah Khan

Santah Khan
Jul Member 2004

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Then log into the game with the other computer. On the first monitor, you will see your ''main'' appear, and just kind of stand there like an idiot. On the second monitor, it will say it's loading... ... ... ... ... ... ... Then the world will form, and you'll be able to do something.

Had you been standing in an attack-able spot, you could have wailed on your main, without worry. Your main, was still loading, and couldn't have switched or equipped a weapon. Eaten any food. You know, all the things that are sometimes enjoyable to do, when someone or something is attacking.

So, I don't ever set the game to load the screen all at once, before showing it to me. But I'm getting way ahead of myself.

I would be happy if the client would reliably load.

Don't get me started with, trying to play two characters at a time, on one computer ... to get two instances of the client to load. OMGosh. Yes, I've figured it out. It helps to log off the first character, then get the second instance to load past it's fatal-error spot. Then log in with both.

hmm.

25-Feb-2020 01:26:06 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2020 01:29:20 by Santah Khan

Singularity
Aug Member 2023

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Unfortunately, Java won't be coming back. :|

What are your PC specs? NXT does have issues on much older machines. And by older, I don't mean how long you've had the PC for, I mean the age of the hardware inside of the PC.

Most modern systems run NXT without many issues nowadays. A few issues may pop up from time to time, but they're usually fixable.

If you're using a machine with weak hardware, it would be in your best interest to replace it with something stronger and more modern. That would eliminate most of your struggles with NXT and allow you to see the actual benefits of the client. .

25-Feb-2020 04:32:31

Sereg

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I agree with Singularity that this is most likely an issue caused by the limitations of your hardware. I have certainly noticed occasional hiccups with the modern client, but nothing to the extend you describe, and I've been using it pretty much since it was offered.

While I can't reach a definite conclusion unless you post your specifications, as Singularity also requested, I suspect it's high time for a hardware upgrade on your end.
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25-Feb-2020 12:09:47

Sereg

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Santah Khan said :
And why it the client so stupid?

Why does the game have to pre-load the bank icons, every time I log out of the game? If the client is still running, can't it remember them?

There used to be a time, that the game created all of the icons, trees, and everything else just magically, instead of having to load an overlay, then another one, and another, and finally the finished project.

If you don't understand that, watch how many times a tree has to load an overlay, before the leaves appear.

First it's a tree, barren of all leaves. Then it's a tree, with a bunch of white boxes where the leaves will be. Then the white boxes, turn into green boxes with some lines in them. Then the lined green boxes flash again, and finally the leaves appear. How many times do the overlays need to load, before it gets to the correct one? We could probably speed up the game, if we just loaded one overlay - tree, and correct leaves.


Probably because graphical assets need to be loaded into the program's memory at runtime for maximum efficiency. Referencing external graphics files, especially higher quality graphics(which have much larger file sizes), is not something that makes sense to do at runtime if it's possible to allocate enough memory to the program to load them there instead.

By that same token, the reason we load so many overlays is because that is how Jagex achieves the much higher graphical quality possible in the new client. I don't know about you, but I'm not a huge fan of RSC style 2d sprites in my games anymore, especially games put out by large studios with the staff, expertise, and resources to do better.

If you're unwilling to make a hardware upgrade, have you bothered to adjust your graphical settings down? The new client does still support multiple levels, as always, and using a lower one might save you some or all of the trouble you're experiencing, even on inferior hardware.
Carve our dreams in sanguine stone/Strength corporeal and of mind
Walls of our flesh, bricks of our bone/Deadly intent to defend our kind

25-Feb-2020 12:17:18 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2020 12:19:24 by Sereg

Santah Khan
Jul Member 2004

Santah Khan

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Sereg said :

If you're unwilling to make a hardware upgrade, have you bothered to adjust your graphical settings down?

At first I made a real reply, but when it posted and I read over it for accuracy I noticed your condescending attitude. Have I bothered...

When you get off your high horse, is when you should start trying to assist people. As long as you talk as if the other person has not tried to fix it themselves, you won't be much help.

25-Feb-2020 22:31:59 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2020 22:36:12 by Santah Khan

Santah Khan
Jul Member 2004

Santah Khan

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Singularity said :

If you're using a machine with weak hardware, it would be in your best interest to replace it with something stronger and more modern.

Why would anyone purchase a new computer, when the old still works? Do you live in a disposable society?

That is an attitude promoted by Apple. Oh look, we made the screen half-an inch bigger - everyone should buy the new phone, and toss out the old one. Oh look, we made the screen half-an inch bigger again - everyone should buy the new phone, and toss out the old one. Oh look, we brought out a retro-phone with a smaller more compact screen - everyone should buy the new phone and toss out the old one.

You're suggesting purchasing a new car, just to stream music on the entertainment system. When the old car does what a car is meant to do, get us from point-A to point-B, and back again.

But if you're suggesting that sloppy code writers, are the reason people need to purchase new computers, and toss out the old ones, I disagree. Has anyone looked at Jagex's minimum computer specs, to play Runescape? Has anyone looked for Jagex's recommended computer specs to play Runescape?

25-Feb-2020 22:45:36

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