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BadEngineer

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I realize that this is an EXTREMELY long post in comparison to the posts before me. To assist, I have selected fragments of what I believe to be the most important points I make and capitalized them.
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I’ve been with RuneScape since November 2005. I saw the removal of the old Wilderness and the implementation of the Grand Exchange and limited trade. Frankly, I disagreed with these changes at first. They were obviously very dramatic changes and I felt they removed the best parts about RuneScape. However, I slowly found out that removing the old Wilderness and restricting trade were BOTH best for RuneScape in the long run. I think the return of the old Wilderness and unrestricted trade must be carried out VERY CAREFULLY, if at all.
Why? Removing the old Wilderness (hereon abbreviated “O.W.”) and restricting trade proved so helpful to players new and veteran that I can’t find accurate words for it. Restricting trade and removing the O.W. MADE IT SIGNIFICANTLY HARDER TO RWT AND/OR BOT EFFECTIVELY. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THESE CHANGES ALSO MADE IT NIGH IMPOSSIBLE TO SCAM players with little knowledge of RuneScape and its mechanics. All three of these actions have always been against the Rules, but TOO MANY PLAYERS BROKE THE RULES AND GOT AWAY WITH IT in the old system. The current system controls these problems by making breaking the Rules so troublesome that it’s simply not worth the incentive of breaking them. This assisted many hundreds of thousands of players in that they all actually have a fighting chance now, free of illicit players, in the RuneScape world.
However, regardless of what the preceding words may imply about my opinion regarding the return of the O.W. and free trade, I am still unsure whether returning the O.W. and free trade is better for RuneScape than the current systems. I still have 2 burning questions about these proposed changes that must be answered SPECIFICALLY before I can decide on a position for sure:

28-Dec-2010 06:32:17 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2010 06:42:20 by BadEngineer

BadEngineer

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1)Removing trade restriction is an open invitation to scammers, botters, and RWTers. How will players (ESPECIALLY new players) be able to distinguish between a fair trade and a scam? What will be done to prevent scamming if the GE can’t? How will players determine the value of their items?
The way I see it, removing all limitations on GE trades also removes all indications of what is a scam and what is a fair trade. The GE calculates item prices based on the prices of trades, so inconsistent trades lead to inaccurate item prices. Without limits imposing consistency among trades, how could I expect and trust the GE to calculate a fair price for a given item? How could *I* calculate a fair price? Additionally, how will specific price information be delivered to players not at the GE?
To answer my own question to a small extent, THE GE MUST CONTINUE TO BE INTEGRATED INTO STREET TRADES as it is now. However, THE VALUES THE GE ASSIGNS TO ITEMS (however the GE is supposed to calculate such values) SHOULD ONLY BE SUGGESTIONS OR GUIDELINES to players; displayed to the players in a trade, but NOT IMPOSED AS HARD LIMITS as that would be against the idea of free trade.
2)How will RWTers and botters be controlled and dealt with? After all, RWTers and botters are operating fully within game mechanics, i.e. NOT hacking or exploiting bugs.
As far as I know, it always has been impossible to detect RWTers, so the only thing that can be done is to make it more trouble than it’s worth to RWT. Therefore, RETURNING THE O.W. AND FREE TRADE (which were originally put in place to stop RWTers) IS AN OPEN INVITATION TO RWTERS TO COME BACK and break the Rules again. What will be done to stop RWTers if the GE and Wilderness, the only measures put in place to hinder RWTers, are unleashed?

28-Dec-2010 06:32:26 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2010 06:34:30 by BadEngineer

BadEngineer

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In addition, botters are free to go back to breaking the Rules if free trade is returned.
Before continuing, I should mention the 2 types of botting that I know of:
-A single, main account which numerous, expendable bot accounts trade resources to, all under the control of one owner, and
-One account which a bot controls in order to gather resources or gain experience in the owner’s absence.
Now back to the real stuff...
While botters are actually detectable to an extent, the sheer number of bots that would be guaranteed to appear ensures that some will get away. Even now, some botters that exist today STILL get away in spite of the detection systems already in place. How will a system that doesn’t work 100% of the time today fare under the much increased load that free trade would surely bring?
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Once I get a clear answer to these 2 questions will I be able to make my decision on the return of free trade and the old Wilderness.
To anybody that read the entire post, I congratulate you. *Applauds* Diamonds and porkchops to you, and further kudos if you get the reference. ;)

28-Dec-2010 06:32:38 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2010 06:44:06 by BadEngineer

Ooby Hooby1

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Beo
wildy and free trade have everything to do with each other in this vote
The reason pking was taken away in our old wildy is because of the trade limit. what would be the point of having a trade limit when people could just do the same by letting their friend or customer kill them for the item they are selling?

28-Dec-2010 06:54:26

Beo

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Oobybooby : Jagex will be happy at the initial success of having a few ex members rejoin... THEN, they will be sorely disappointed when the gold farmers return. This all is a HORRIBLE idea.
Jagex/Runescape : PLEASE, at least make this a fair vote! Half of the people I've spoken to weren't even sure that they voted for the position they endorsed!
~ Trite

28-Dec-2010 07:06:58

Ooby Hooby1

Ooby Hooby1

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Kivinoid < *****; *****; *****; *****; *****; & Everyone Else
Allowing anybody to submit a Yes for anybody in the petition was no mistake, it was their scheme. They wanted an excuse to bring this wilderness free trade issue further and spark up even more arguments about it. They succeeded.
No matter how much you look at the overwhelming Yes votes in the petition, the 90% Yes against 8% no most definitely shows the majority interest.
Jagex makes it Very clear that they didn't want to take away our wilderness and free trade, they felt they had to in order to stop bots and rwt. I don't believe anyone here has the authority to claim jagex will lose control of the bot problem unless you have a ""Jagex Mod"" resting peacefully below...

28-Dec-2010 07:12:19 - Last edited on 28-Dec-2010 07:14:13 by Ooby Hooby1

Hamady3

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT ABOUT THE KBD?! CORPOREAL BEAST? CHAOS ELEMENTAL? WILL THEY BE GONE? HOW ABOUT THE MAGE TRAINING ARENA! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO PRICE RAISES - DROPS ON THE GE? THAT WILL TOTALY TERMINATE, ANNHILATE AND OBTILIRATE MERCHS!!!

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