RuneScape Forum Archive | Wilderness and Free Trade Vote

Evy Alqua

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Please discount all votes placed in my name as fraudulent, since I have not and will not be voting yes. A portion of the yes-crowd has already cheated more than enough to vastly misrepresent their size, which I find quite disgusting, especially since they used the name of my friend who died a couple of years ago. I can guarantee any votes from her are also lies.
I was debating about which way to vote at first, but this extremely holey system and players' reactions have made up my mind for reasons I'll explain later: no. Even if I had decided yes, someone else (or multiple people) already decided they have a right to decide and speak for me against my will.
If the return appeals to cheaters so very much, that bodes quite badly. (It already threatens a full-scale resurgence of the forms of cheating and economic problems that caused trouble before the removal.) I guess on the bright side, it *might* eliminate some other forms of cheating, but old-style pking and free trade aren't required if Jagex wanted to prevent those. Aside from enabling more and worse cheating at individuals' and the community's expense while telling everyone that it's good to be deceptive since it pays off, I'd be fine with the return, especially with free trade.
If this petition system was designed so incompetently in the name of getting a general idea of opinions instead of a very outspoken percentage of players, I certainly can't trust Jagex to get much right about returning the wilderness and free trade without causing bad problems we players don't foresee until the deed is done. Either Jagex is lying about the "poll's" intentions or are extremely incompetent with designing systems.

23-Dec-2010 11:48:47

Hjgkf542946

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The reborn will happen very soon!! GET READY!

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23-Dec-2010 11:51:49

Clobersaurus

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I voted yes. For Wildy; personally, I enjoyed the thrill of doing clues in the wild at the risk of being PKd. Now I gleefully walk there wearing a phat without a concern in the world. Its a shell of its former self and has been very disappointing to me, mostly in the updates that came to attempt to fix it. Bounty worlds suck, the pvp rewards updates have all sucked and caused huge issues. Its been a massive influx of gold that has been going on for far too long. I've wanted it gone for a long time - should old wildy being brought back be the answer, I'm all for it.
For free trade: god yes, please. I'm so effing tired of merch clans making money for making my gaming experience more miserable. To be blunt, I'm all for giving them the middle finger and bringing the game back to what it was. I seem to recall reading that someone was going to monitor the GE regularly so make sure the prices are accurate when the GE first came out. This NEVER happened. Instead, we have to deal with junk trade. It was just all around completely miserable and I hated it.
The beauty of all of this was there were still ample ways to go about RWT - the main reason you shut down these two things.
People adapted to these changes and got used to them, but that doesn't mean they're good updates by any means. So I'm all for reverting these horrible changes. I want to see rare horders crumble, I want to see merch clans die, I want to see the influx of gold from pvp statues to burn. Whats the worst thats going to legitimately happen - I log on to see green dragons camped with bots? Oh wait...
And for the record, should some of these updates come through and actually be done properly (along with the smithing update that was promised last year), I'd probably play again.

23-Dec-2010 11:53:14

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FinalFantasy

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For the last what.. two years we have witnessed endless amounts of posts supporting the return of the wilderness in all its former glory along with staking and free trade. Unquestionably there has been more support on the forums over these past years for its return then there has been praise for the introduction of new updates like the bounty hunter volcano, PvP worlds and alike.
Now we are given a poll to vote upon if we wish to see the old ways returned. NOW we see nothing but support for keeping things the way they are.
Is it that the users of these forums are so contemptuous that any and all of Jagex's decisions must be met with complaint and derision ?
I find my self simply amused by the great number of posts calling the poll "un-democratic" "biased" "unfair". I believe jagex are not releasing further information at this point because everything we need to know is available on Mod Osbourne's original news post.
"So, the big question is, are the passionate voices we hear on this topic truly representative of the majority of the player community or just a rather vocal minority? Do you want to see a return of free trade and the original Wilderness? If the vast majority of our players vote in favour of it, then we will do exactly that."
Is it not fair to assume that the poll does not have multiple options because they are trying to discover whether are not there truly is a vast majority of players who support the return of "the old days"?
Consider the fact that subscriptions dropped by almost 60,000 during the wilderness/free trade updates. If 60,000 people quit there accounts two years ago, are they expected to recall ********* and account details so they are able to vote in the polls? are do we say to bad so sad to these people; the ones who would be most likely to vote in the poll?
Tell me thats fair..
If you do not vote yes are you not AUTOMAGICALLY considered a no vote?

cont..

23-Dec-2010 11:55:02

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FinalFantasy

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If anything the poll is unfairly biased towards the people who want things to stay the same.
Consider it like this-
* Total amount of players = X
* Players Voting Yes = Y
* All others = Z
For the updates to even be considered Y must at least = 50%+1 of X.
Therefore including a No option would be redundant as Y still needs to reach the same amount no matter how many other options there are to choose from.
This system in fact allows people who not only disagree with the proposition but also includes all inactive and for lack of a better term ignorant player (i.e those who don't read the updates and or news posts) as being part of the "Z" group largely biasing the vote in favour of the opposition.
One last point I will make on the voting is that there have presumably been many new accounts made and used in the last two years. If a login system for voting was introduced should all new accounts be blocked from participation due to the fact that they are unable to make an informed comparison between today and yesteryears ?
As I mentioned before a login system would further disallow input from any ex-players who have not retained account details.

Also consider that Mod Osbourne has stated (as I cited above) that "If the vast majority of our players vote in favour of it, then we will do exactly that." And that the vote page says vote yes to register your vote, valid account names only yada yada yada.
The vote counter below simply displays how many votes have been cast so far, there is nothing to suggest that all of these votes will be considered valid or unique at the end of the voting period.
Anyways that's my 2c for you personally I support the poll and the re-introduction of the wilderness and free trading in its previous forms.
Thumbs Up Jagex-

23-Dec-2010 11:55:14

El Astral

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23-Dec-2010 11:55:35

SunShineYes

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me again.
i have much toi say on this issue as its is going to be the worset decion of your time you got rid of it and it was a good thing bringin it back just lets the most of the player in this forum commenting to buy there coin again people do not like to work for money and you bring in free trade they wont have to no more they dont care if there spending real money they will do it beacuse they dont have to woork for it if you bring this free trade back as many player have siad they would leave freetrade wildey is no good.

SAY NO TO WILD/FREETRADE.

say yes to the activation of game gaurd your online secrty agaist bots and hackers SAY YES TO THAT. implemty it on login of your game and hey o any bot loged in will be cut right off b4 even clicking there mouse to move you really want your game to suceed bigger and better it has imporvoed over the year i must admit but u need it more improved kill browwre type play bring in a clint based gameing world this way you give your self more controlls over bot use. help us real player keep playing us pro gamers i am one i play so many online games.
final fanatsy 11 &14
wow (not anymore we now see it as world of hackcraft)
rapples
cable
lotr
linage1 & 2
aion
aldos
d&d
warcraft frozenthron
my list is endless but i am a pro gamer my actully company is to do with the testing of ps3 *box wii ds games. so i know when i can see a bad move. and this move u=your thingking about is the worst your ever make in rs hoistory.
in the pro gameing comuntee runescape has already got its name its been called this for the last 3 years now
BotScape thats is what your game is called and it very true there is a increase in new bots out there now but you do nothing about it dreynore willow jam packed with bots yews outsside varrock jam packed essece mineing jam packed master farmer jam packed there all bots 9/10 of them r fishing loction barn village shilo 5/10 r bots rc runing most r bots high alcher at ge most r bots.

23-Dec-2010 11:56:31 - Last edited on 23-Dec-2010 12:01:00 by SunShineYes

Torva kite

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Yes,yes,yes,yes,yes*******,syes,y**************,sye,sye***,

23-Dec-2010 12:05:56

Norge Ranged

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Funny part is that most of the people that don't want the update, didnt play back in 06-07. Also I've seen many people that is complaining, but don't know what the update will bring.
This update will make the game better for 99% of people playing, trust me. It wont be as many botters and RWTers as it used to be. There is new and better ways to handle them nowadays.
It will be a reshape of the environment, so quests and minigames will be moved out of wilderness.
What else is it to complain about?
Edit; GE will still remain, but with a few changes.

23-Dec-2010 12:08:09 - Last edited on 23-Dec-2010 12:15:00 by Norge Ranged

Hjgkf542946

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Shut up 08-10 noobs! STOP WHINING AND GO HELL!

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23-Dec-2010 12:10:02

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