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BahamutShark

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Do we really need to insult other people to get our opinions across? I've seena lot of insulting from both sides, and that really isn't needed. I would also like to say a few things on the matter...
I HATED the old wilderness so much. I hated the feeling of danger from it, I hated how many tasks were difficult. I thought it sucked. When I heard it could come back...I wasn't happy at all. I still am not happy and I wish it hadn't come back. But...it is. That's the truth, and there's really nothing we can do about it. To all of the people who don't want it back (including me), I don't feel there is really anything we can do about it (besides ragequit, which I think is a pretty rash decision).I think we just have to accept it and move on. You can hurry and kill a bunch of Green Drags, you can quickly try to complete your clue scrolls, you can even quit and walk away from this game forever, but (at least for now) the wilderness is coming back. So either quit (not advised), or find a way to adjust to it.

20-Jan-2011 23:31:10

Anima Jonesy
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Anima Jonesy

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@Phthartic
The example I gave using 100% is that, an example. To criticize an example or argue against it is pointless. However, you say the Yes voters won due to far more players voting with more then one account. That is logically true as there were FAR more yes voters then there were No voters.
If you alone were to vote no on free trade and old wilderness and I along with 4 people voted yes, the ratio is 5:1. If all 6 of us used 5 accounts each to vote, the vote outcome is 25:5 which remains 5:1. Your logic along with Agent B Wib is that only Yes voters are cheaters, so reducing our votes but not yours leave it at 5:5(1:1) when there were only 6 voters overall. Do you understand now? Or are you to narrow minded or upset that the Majority by FAR was Yes. Ofcourse, FAR more people voted yes here, but the average remains the same. 5 votes per player. We all cheated.
Secondly, I have in no way demonstrated an attitude like others where they, as you say, go "OMG OMG FREE TRADE HERE YET??!?!!#^(T!#!!!". But I enjoyed reading your awefully written and poorly responded acusation. It shows great things about you.

20-Jan-2011 23:46:30 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2011 00:08:22 by Anima Jonesy

Anima Jonesy
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Anima Jonesy

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Agent B MiB
"think about how voted no. skillers who generally want to maximize their ONE account. they arent going to make muliple accounts to vote with. they dont have a dozen old accounts they have abandoned when the levels got too high. no, most of those that vote no, are adults that follow the rules.
think about those that voted yes. pkers are generally teens that have the attitude that they have the right to get what every they want. just look at how many people have posted on this thread about how its right to drop trade, or friend trade items to their secondary accounts. pkers generally have a lot of old accounts they no longer use, because their levels got to high, or they got a 2 on defense. they have no problem making new accounts, and they did.
fair? ive been argueing why its not fair to newb accounts to have to deal with players drop trading to noob accounts, i know what fair is.
learn what reality is before you post child."
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I like how you did the whole 2 sides. Skillers voted no... And are mainly adults? While pkers voted yes, while being mainly teens/children.
Well, let's get that sorted out first. Not all skillers are adults, and not all pkers are children/teens. Neither are the mainly, primarily, or dominately of each. You have only created that speculation just as you and Phthartic created the whole "Unfair vote theory". I voted yes yet I am a skiller. I do not own any second account, nor do I pk let alone train combat(113, was 98 combat 2 years ago, started playing 7 years ago). So once again, I will say what you have just created to be complete BS.
Secondly, fair? You think it's unfair for the owner of a vast amount of wealth to move his/her wealth across accounts? Ofcourse, it could be multilogging if accounts were on at same time, but drop trading is the way around it. It's not unfair, it's not cheating. I do sense a bit of jealousy within you though.
Grow up... Child? Pathetic.

20-Jan-2011 23:55:46

Phthartic

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Perfect. Just classic. I love it.
Sorry about my awefully written posts.
I'm not even going to try to understand your latest logic.
Whatever you say.
EDIT: Oh yeah, Me and Agent invented the rigged vote theory. It took lots of stealthy planning to get all the other people on this thread including several of Jagex's hand selected Forum Mods to agree to go along with our conspiracy theory. All within hours of the first vote being announced. We're completely stupid and simultaneously fiendishly clever.
Better and better! Now drop trading isn't cheating! Really Animus the more you talk the worse you make your side look. You really should have stopped talking after the first paragraph in the first post.

20-Jan-2011 23:58:43 - Last edited on 21-Jan-2011 00:10:49 by Phthartic

Anima Jonesy
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Anima Jonesy

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1quilla1

20-Jan-2011 22:22:23
Anima,
Just like you I am entitled to my say, I said what I believe to be fact just as my previous posts have been.
The last few posts on here have summed up the whole thing about the wildy returning.
This is only about 1 thing, thats money.
Get more accounts paying and more cash. Doesnt matter if they are bots or players.
As a company I dont blame them for trying to grow the company. What I do object to is the way it has been achieved. I just hope that Jagex can control the potential problems that have been repeatedly pointed out. Only time will tell in that
The decision had already had been made that I am sure of.
I would appologise for the rant style that this is, but this is genuinly how I feel.
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I understand, and I wouldn't stop you from your own say. In fact, I encourage it. It helps others build up their comprehensive thinking skills. A few I noticed needed it such as Agent B Mib.
However, I would like to know more on what is your train of thought on how free trading companies achieve their success in a bad manner per say. I for one see nothing wrong with it as it builds a larger need of reliance throughout the Runescape world rather then the sense of greed, dishonourable, untrustful, unhelpful, etc. that we are widely known for as of today.
I did not see any problems of companies before free trade, I do not see any problems with it after as well. But alas, your right, only time will tell.

21-Jan-2011 00:01:20

Anima Jonesy
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Anima Jonesy

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Very nice Phthartic. Now that we've gotten that over, maybe you can get off other threads by insulting them repeatedly just to make yourself out to be a smart ass? The child who know everything? The Mr. Perfect?
Learn respect, that's the key thing all Yes voters want back in this society.

21-Jan-2011 00:03:07

BahamutShark

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@Phthartic
Um It isn't really that pleasant to throw sarcasm at every single thing Anima says
@Anima
It's also not respectfult to call someone a "smart-ass, child who knows everything Mr. perfect"
Why can't we get along? Why are there so much insults rapidly dispensed on this thread? (Please don't call me a hippie or something)

21-Jan-2011 00:28:43

Phthartic

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Pieboy--
Why on earth would I call you names? All you are expressing is a desire for civility. Over the course of this thread I tend to get sucked into participating when I see there are some intelligent and civil opponents to debate. Then when rude fools show up and insult everyone I switch to a different style (you want to see me insulting someone start reading from page 781; this aint nuthin). After days of this debate I don't have much patience for lots of things, including:
People leaping in without (apparently) reading any past posts and posting assumptions/claims/suggestions that some background reading would show were either incorrect or redundant.
People using flawed logic to combat valid evidence and valid logic.
People adamantly refusing to respond to valid arguments in favor of continuing to rant at easier targets. (There was a time where I suspected I had been silently banned from this thread since no post I made was responded to for many posts, and no, I was not being uncivil.)
People who ignore evidence and make claims that the evidence clearly refutes.
No, I'm not saying all of these pet peeves are happening now, but I am losing interest in participating again.
I mean, with logic like Animus is using, there would be no prohibition on multiple voting in real life, since apparently no matter who votes how many times, it all ends up coming out fair in the end....

21-Jan-2011 00:57:50

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