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Anima Jonesy
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Anima Jonesy

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What you just posted was complete BS. The percentage of those who voted yes with multiple accounts is about the same to near exact same as those who voted no. The yes voters remain with the majority overall, no matter what. The ratio will remain the same. Next time you post back to a mathematical equation, don't just pull random numbers from your ass ffs.

IN OTHER WORDS...
If you think the average amount of accounts voted on per person for yes was 13, then so ** it. That's 87,500 players total for yes. BUT, the ratio is the EXACT SAME FOR NO VOTERS. That means, if the average was 13 for each person on yes voting, then the average for NO voters is 13 AS WELL. That means only about 6700 No voters in total. It's the exact same ration with 100k players to 1.25m players. EXACT SAME. There is no flaw, no manipulation, no cheating that pushed yes into a complete victory. The tables were set and evenly squared.
EDIT: Seriously, I'm talking to conceited players ffs... Learn how to play fair before trying to create wild accusations and lies off the bat...

20-Jan-2011 21:12:04 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2011 21:18:15 by Anima Jonesy

Phthartic

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Is 30 minutes all the patience you have Animus? You fit right in with the "OMG!!OMG!! WHEN IS IT COMING BACK?" crowd.
I was otherwise engaged for a few minutes. To keep you from wetting your pants I'll post this much then edit til I'm done.
In your first recent post (top of p. 2054) You were doing fine for a paragraph. I was prepared to say that these sorts of calculations were what leads me to say there was PROBABLY a majority in favor. Then you completely destroyed your credibility by saying:
"if 100% yes voters voted 10 times each, then 100% no voters also voted 10 times each...The ratio is the exact same."
This is utterly unsupportable by either the evidence on this thread or by common sense and I refuse to waste my or other people's time by refuting it yet again in any greater detail than this:
Page 774. Or just read my posts from the last 14 pages or so.
When I use the term "cheating" in this context you will note that I don't cite a specific rule from Jagex's rules page.
I'm well aware that there was not even a SUGGESTION by Jagex in the poll announcements or JMod clan chat quotes that, since they were (supposedly) interested in PLAYER'S opinions, it would be more ethical to vote ONCE. That is part of the body of evidence pointing to the votes being rigged.
Jagex must certainly be aware (since trading between your own accounts is against the rules) which accounts belong to which people, therefore if they had wanted a fair vote they could have prevented, or post facto removed multiple votes from one player or IP or whatever, but they did not.
When I say "cheating" in this context I'm referring more to the way real life voting is conducted, or to a sense of honor, which explains why PKers and botters voted multiple times in FAR greater numbers than did opponents.
To sum up, if I had read your last sentence first I probably wouldn't even have wasted THIS much energy on you.

20-Jan-2011 21:36:12 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2011 22:01:20 by Phthartic

dunforgiven

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Anima Hanky

20-Jan-2011 21:12:04
Last edited on 20-Jan-2011 21:18:15 by Anima Hanky
What you just posted was complete BS. The percentage of those who voted yes with multiple accounts is about the same to near exact same as those who voted no.
think about how voted no. skillers who generally want to maximize their ONE account. they arent going to make muliple accounts to vote with. they dont have a dozen old accounts they have abandoned when the levels got too high. no, most of those that vote no, are adults that follow the rules.
think about those that voted yes. pkers are generally teens that have the attitude that they have the right to get what every they want. just look at how many people have posted on this thread about how its right to drop trade, or friend trade items to their secondary accounts. pkers generally have a lot of old accounts they no longer use, because their levels got to high, or they got a 2 on defense. they have no problem making new accounts, and they did.

...Learn how to play fair before trying to create wild accusations and lies off the bat... ...
fair? ive been argueing why its not fair to newb accounts to have to deal with players drop trading to noob accounts, i know what fair is.
learn what reality is before you post child. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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20-Jan-2011 21:43:29 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2011 21:45:11 by dunforgiven

Leopold

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Alright I'm going to explain this as well as I can. Jagex PLANNED to bring the wilderness and free trade all along. How many big companies make decisions on a whim like this? None. They probably planned this months in advance and knew this would be popular. Hell, I'm sure MANY people have renewed their subscription with Jagex because they are bringing this back. The poll had nothing to do with this. They just made it seem like the player base was deciding something.
Companies don't let huuge decisions like this be decided by their players. They sit down and discuss how they could possibly get as much hype out of this as possible. And I give them credit because it worked! Let's face it, Jagex is a company like any other and they are out there to make money. Poll was just a way to get the word out.
As for wilderness on themed worlds, I'm an old school rs player, and having the wilderness being dangerous on every world was just part of the game. A fun one in fact. Jagex has already stated that they are going to spend the time and energy moving around some minigames and bosses, so whats the big deal? *on't go into the wilderness if you want to be safe :)

^
I forgot who typed this, but that's basically the answer to this whole Trade and Referendum.

20-Jan-2011 21:50:14

dunforgiven

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the big deal is they lied to us.
the big deal is they are leaving skills in the wild.
the big deal is, are they going to lose more people over this than they will gain? frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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20-Jan-2011 22:06:12

1quilla1
Apr Member 2007

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Anima,
Just like you I am entitled to my say, I said what I believe to be fact just as my previous posts have been.
The last few posts on here have summed up the whole thing about the wildy returning.
This is only about 1 thing, thats money.
Get more accounts paying and more cash. Doesnt matter if they are bots or players.
As a company I dont blame them for trying to grow the company. What I do object to is the way it has been achieved. I just hope that Jagex can control the potential problems that have been repeatedly pointed out. Only time will tell in that
The decision had already had been made that I am sure of.
I would appologise for the rant style that this is, but this is genuinly how I feel.

20-Jan-2011 22:22:23

Monkface6

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Here is a thought...shut up...jesus guys its a game alright the wild is back and i love it personally because it was the greatest thing about runescape. enough of your nerdy fight over the voting the vote was YES so there's no changing it morons...

20-Jan-2011 23:07:25

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