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dunforgiven

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...Really, it's all or nothing....
for free trade, your right.
for the wildy, your wrong. they could leave a few worlds the way it was, and a few worlds the way it was in the past.
problem is, the children wouldnt be able to make money that way. they would be forced to skill or buy money since they wouldnt have a safe way to pk it. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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19-Jan-2011 20:04:22 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2011 20:05:25 by dunforgiven

Mystic Monad
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Agent B MiB,
It's hard to know even where to start to address all the misconceptions you manage to pack into a single short post.
Fact is, I've already addressed most of them. Apparently you didn't bother to read and understand.
The fact that some RS merchants insult people who don't understand how game economics work and try to do silly, uneconomical things doesn't make what they're doing wrong. It just means those particular RS merchants are immature. And that's not surprising, since a lot of them are just kids who really *haven't* grown up yet. ;-)
I merchanted both before and after the end of free trade, and I never insulted anyone in the course of doing business.
However, it did take me a little while to figure out how the RS economy works.
I'd suggest you put in the same time figuring it out.

19-Jan-2011 20:06:40

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Agent B MiB,
The problem is, you have a pre-conceived notion of how things *ought* to work, which is not the way they *actually* work.
My introduction to RS economics came with ess mining, selling, and merchanting, as well as rune merchanting.
I got annoyed at first that I couldn't sell my little stocks of ess or airs at the same prices that the "big guys" were selling them.
It took a while for me to get it through my thick skull and accept the fact that in RS, larger quantities are worth more per item than smaller quantities. That's because skillers want to buy large quantities, not small quantities.
Even if those merchants you encountered were impolite, they were not destroying the game nor making it impossible for all but a small minority of skillers to level. They were simply making money by following the laws of economics as they apply to the RS economy.

19-Jan-2011 20:21:18 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2011 20:34:44 by Mystic Monad

dunforgiven

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19-Jan-2011 20:06:40
...Fact is, I've already addressed most of them. Apparently you didn't bother to read and understand ...
apparantly you arent bothering to read. this is a game. economics in game are not the same as real life. what is possible in game isnt possible in life and vice versa.

my introduction to rs economics came from trying to buy certs. do you even know what those are?

...Even if those merchants you encountered were impolite, they were not destroying the game nor making it impossible for all but a small minority of skillers to level..
ever mercahnt in the game, bought and sold at the same prices due to the fact that there was no competition between them. there was enough people who made money merchanting, with lucky rare drops and such, that there was always someone willing to pay what they asked. unless you were willing to spend hours trying to out wait a hundred merchants, you would end up and sell at the price they wanted.
its the fact that the difference between what you needed to buy and what you sold was so far apart that ruin the game. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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19-Jan-2011 20:35:08 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2011 20:39:07 by dunforgiven

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Agent B MiB,
Yes, Jagex could do a half-and-half sort of thing with the wilderness. But there really wouldn't be much benefit to it.
And as you imply, the benefit of doing away with the current system altogether is *hat the various "tricking" mechanisms used with the current system would be a thing of the past.
I'm sure that fact is not lost on Jagex--and that it's one of the reasons Jagex is going whole hog, not half-<you-know-what> about this. ;-)

19-Jan-2011 20:37:33

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Agent B MiB,
If you played in RS classic, how have you managed to go so long without understanding how the RS economy works?
Oh yeah. Hardly anyone in the game really understands how the RS economy works. They just think they do when posting on the forums. :P

19-Jan-2011 20:38:33 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2011 20:38:59 by Mystic Monad

dunforgiven

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19-Jan-2011 20:37:33
Agent B MiB,
Yes, Jagex could do a half-and-half sort of thing with the wilderness. But there really wouldn't be much benefit to it
there was a huge benifit. skillers would be happy and would believe that jagex had not abandoned them. as a result, they will not quit.
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19-Jan-2011 20:38:33
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Agent B MiB,
If you played in RS classic, how have you managed to go so long without understanding how the RS economy works?
Oh yeah. Hardly anyone in the game really understands how the RS economy works. They just think they do when posting on the forums
i learned from experiencing it.
when buyers wanted to buy, they wanted to buy huge amounts at once, not the amounts that the skillers could provide. even if a skiller matched the prices the merchants offered, the buyers ignored them for the larger amounts.
are you aware that for a given item, the amount you mine to make the bars for it is almost double the exps you get for smithing it. this was to encourage higher level players to help low level players. the result was, merchants decided to use it to hold the skill hostage. in the end, the only way to really do smithing was to merchant. that is why so few did it. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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19-Jan-2011 20:40:24 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2011 20:43:42 by dunforgiven

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Agent B MiB,
Most skiller activity takes place outside of the wildy anyway.
And now, for most skills, there are good, solid alternatives even for those skilling activities that do take place in the wildy.
When the old wildy returns, most skillers will simply continue on as if nothing had happened. Some will stop doing some of the wildy stuff (like wildy stars) that they'd done before.
These days I spend almost all of my RS time skilling. And I rarely go into the wilderness.
I doubt we'll see many skillers quitting. But I expect to see a lot of skillers grumbling. ;-)

19-Jan-2011 20:45:31

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Agent B MiB,
Of course the skillers ignored the smaller amounts. They needed large amounts to do their skilling. And they were willing to pay more per item to get those larger amounts so that they didn't have to use up their game time scurrying around buying lots of small amounts to make up the large amounts they wanted for their skilling.
That's where the merchants came in. They spent the time buying small quantities from low-level players who produced the items (feathers, ores, logs, etc.), amassed large quantities through many small purchase, and then sold them in large quantities to the skillers.
* Low-level producers are happy because they get money for their small numbers of items.
* High-level skillers are happy because they get the mass quantities of items they want.
* Merchants are happy because they make a profit.
Everybody was happy except the players who had preconceived notions about how things *ought* to work and were unwilling to accept how things *actually* worked.
With the Grand Exchange, merchanting will not go back to the way it was before. Now any player can sell items on the Grand Exchange, and the quantity sold has basically no effect on the price. (It's possible, though, that the food, weapon, and potion merchants will return to popular pker spots.)
Merchants will continue to use different strategies than in the pre-GE days, and to provide different benefits to the RS economy.
Unfortunately, it's a little harder to understand the benefits merchants provide buying and selling on the GE.
But those benefits are real, and they help keep the RS economy healthy and flowing for all players.

19-Jan-2011 20:56:12 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2011 20:56:36 by Mystic Monad

dunforgiven

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please pray tell, how do you be a real skiller if you dont do rc. please pray tell how do you rc without the abyss without having to pay for it or be a member of one of the clans that abuse the rc minigame. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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