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JohneySteel

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@Agent B MiB
" 60 percent have to find another way to make money so they can pk. most of them wouldnt dream of "wasting" their time skilling, so they go after skillers or buy their gps. thats why there was so many complaints from pkers about how hard it was to make money, and why many of them bought gps.
the ones that didnt buy it, killed abyss runners, and dragon killers, and an occasional treasure hunter for their money."
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There you go again with your inaccurate statisics. Your going on numbers based on what you feel is accurate when in reality, they're just made up.
Pkers never use to complain about how hard it was to make money back in the days of the old wilderness. They pked, some died and lost money, others killed and gained money. There was no ranting or complaining about not making enough money because people knew before hand, that they with the chance of gaining money, there was a chance of losing it.
Killing abyss runners were seen as easy money because they use to lose thier glory amulets. But some people simply killed the pker that was camping by the zammy mage.
Green dragons was a spot that even I myself checked frequently. Usually you would find a bot there, once in a while a dragon killer or another pker.
Clue scroll do'ers? Never. No one wastes there time killing people like that because there is no reward in it.

16-Jan-2011 02:27:56

JohneySteel

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@Agent B MiB
"the biggest problem was people buying items to replace ones lost in pking. skillers had ways to make money skilling, and getting exps in one skill gained you exps in another often as not. pkers had no other way to gain money."
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You always seem to link every RWT problem with pkers. Skillers were known more to buy money to help them level faster as it quickly becomes repeatative and boring.
Pkers had plenty of ways to make money, the majority of pures turned to thier main accounts that they skilled on, killed monsters, or merched on.
Other than relying on a main account, most pkers, like myself, also killed monsters to earn money. Skilling was always an option for most pkers and alot of them turned to an a few inventory of yew logs or sharks, or ore, just to make enough to pk with again.
Making money for pkers wasnt that serious of an issue that you could try to relate it all to RWT.

16-Jan-2011 02:33:01 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2011 03:13:27 by JohneySteel

Johnnyy2x4

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BRING BACK FREE TRADE AND OLD WILDERNESS BACK!

16-Jan-2011 03:00:36 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2011 03:00:58 by Johnnyy2x4

Jizzles

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I honestly think you guys are thinking about it the wrong way. Anyone remember the Runescape Classic update? I believe Jagex knows about the RWT'rs and botters and instead of changing are current game (which I like, almost more than the old one.) will add "Old Runescape" servers. Servers that have it like it was in 06' and 07'. It will have all the stuff that there was in the old days, but perhaps with a few updates (maybe adding a weapon or two).
Current Runescape would be ruined by free trade and Old Wildy. Don't get me wrong, I seriously loved those two things. I was just as angry as the next guy when Jagex took it away, but I understand why they did it. If they change the current Runescape, then too many things are thrown out of wack.
For one there's prices. D Claws can be sold for pennies. High level 100+ accounts would be giving things to their friends or new accounts. We have too many items, and we've gone too long with set prices, for that to change. People will get ripped off. My hard earned dragon visage can go from 25m to 25k. I will have way to hard a time trying to sell my items. Even if the G.E is there, it will be too hard to set a price.
Plus I kinda get all my money from killing Green Drags in the Wildy.
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Anyway, I believe their gonna do the same thing with RS classic. It will be members only, however, anyone at any time will be able to play it and there will only be about 10-15 worlds like that. People will still subscribe their old accounts to be able to get their free trade and wildy.
Best of all, if it goes the way I think it will, everyone wins. The oldies can play their old wildy, and the people who like the current way can still play.

Well, I hope it ends up like this. Everyone wins and the RWT + Botting will probably be alot less efficient.
Good Day.

16-Jan-2011 03:43:42

[#0837H91RY]

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Hey, why don't you try a system where only some worlds have the old style wild, while others have revs. That way people who want to kill other players can do so. People who want to do stuff that happens to be in the Wild can still do it. Just an idea.

16-Jan-2011 04:15:13

Phthartic

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Now that they're finally getting it into their heads that it's really going to happen they're getting pretty bold about admitting how much they cheat, aren't they?
Yeah, we're just going to transfer money from our skilling or merching main accounts to one of our multiple pking accounts.
Gee, who would've suspected that pkers would use free trade to break the rules?

16-Jan-2011 04:29:19

dunforgiven

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ney525

16-Jan-2011 02:27:56
...There you go again with your inaccurate statisics. Your going on numbers based on what you feel is accurate when in reality, they're just made up. ...
it isnt made up facts, it common sense.
in ever battle between two pkers, half loses. if he isnt skulled, he keeps 3 or 4 items, but the rest of it is gone.
lets take an example. two pkers meet each having 1m gp worth of armor, weapons, food and pots.
lets say the winner is the one that is skulled. the loser keeps 500k worth of armor, and weapon. that means he lost 500k.
does the winner get all of it? **, *ecause the loser most likely used some expendables. likely upwords of 100k, plus the winner used the same expendable.
that means the winner got a increase of 300k while the loser lose 500k.
now look at a long term look.
100 player each have 100 fights over a period of time. likely 1 of them will win all 100 of his battles, and 1 will lose every single fight. the rest will lose some of the battles and win some of them. because there not all equally good, some will win more than other. what you have is likely a bell curve where a number of them win some where close to 50 percent, but only a few win the majority of fights, and the same number lose the majority of their fights.
now remember that ever single one of those fight is going to lose a lot of money, around an average of 100k (not spacific, but a good number to use), in expendable, such as runes, food, pots and arrows. some of them will win things like armor and weapons (including runes), but the average (number 50 in standing) will end up losing some money.
it is normal math. even a third grader should be able to figure it out?
100 people having 100 fights with each other is 5k fights in that time. if they use 200k expenables in each fight, thats 1 billion gps that someone has to make up. the top fighters will not and the bottom ones will most likely buy theirs, but the ones in the middle will go for skillers. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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16-Jan-2011 05:12:05

dunforgiven

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...Pkers never use to complain about how hard it was to make money back in the days of the old wilderness. ...
you never read the forums. i read them many times and argued with many pkers about how they should skill, and had so many of them insult me for that suggestion.
...But some people simply killed the pker that was camping by the zammy mage. ...
if it happened before the death dots, i never say it happen, i did on rare occasion see someone attack someone that had pked them, but usually the pker fled. after the death dots made an appearance that became impossible. the only way to fight a death dot was by clan and that never happened at the abyss.
the only thing that ever came close to being fair, was something known as a death blossom. i took part in it right after they came out, then jagex stop it as a glitch. what it was, was several people got iron or steel armor and weapons (everything less than the value of a glory) and fought until they had almost no lps left, usually unarmed. then they would approach the death dot from all directions and surround it. being armored, no one bothered them.
then they hit retribution and attacked each other. the first one died and all of them did in rapid succession. since everyone had high prayer, and was only protecting one item, they all ended up in lumby or fally with their glory, and teled back. everyone that was in side that blossom took over 100 hps of damage and died. the treasure pile was extreamly impressive. the 8 of us could not carry it all, and several rcers dropped their esses to take up some of it.
unfortuantely, those that got hit claimed it was unfair and jagex removed it. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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16-Jan-2011 05:13:05 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2011 05:20:37 by dunforgiven

dunforgiven

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..Clue scroll do'ers? Never. No one wastes there time killing people like that because there is no reward in it....
it happened so often that many people, myself included began dropping any clue that took them to the wild because they were considered to impossible to complete. since 1 out of 3 clues took you there, and a trail usually had 5 or more clues, i never did many hard clues.

..Skillers were known more to buy money to help them level faster as it quickly becomes repeatative and boring. ...
get a clue.
skillers MADE money. they no need to buy it.
merchants MADE money. they had no need to buy it.
questers MADE money. they had no need to buy it.
pkers LOST money, and with no other way to make money, they HAD to buy it.
...Pkers had plenty of ways to make money, the majority of pures turned to thier main accounts that they skilled on, killed monsters, or merched on....
oh , this is wonderful arguement.
"we didnt need to cheat because we cheated." any group that encourages cheating, is just as likely to cheat one way as a group as another.

...relate it all to RWT...
i never said ALL pkers did. infact i spacifically stated that some had no need to earn money any other other method. but the fact is, since pkers on the whole talk of cheating quite frequently amoung themselves, most didnt see any difference from having to earn it on their main and buying it from someone that earned it else where. they never bothered to find out that the ones they were buying it from were criminals. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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16-Jan-2011 05:22:40 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2011 05:30:02 by dunforgiven

dunforgiven

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Phthartic

16-Jan-2011 04:29:19
Now that they're finally getting it into their heads that it's really going to happen they're getting pretty bold about admitting how much they cheat, aren't they?
they have even been argueing that it wasnt against the rules because it was their main to their pures, and claimed EVERYONE did it. im sure almost every pker did it.

Day Knight X and Regilati3535, i wish they would, but they said all or nothing.
they know that the majority of their skillers will not go to the new servers, and the pkers cant survive without them. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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16-Jan-2011 05:31:59 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2011 05:34:57 by dunforgiven

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