RuneScape Forum Archive | Wilderness and Free Trade Vote

Mar

2020

Angels Heart

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I will first start this by saying, I am a player of 06, have seen the updates done, but said little in response to them. I have just taken them one step at a time, and watched the different responses from those within the community. I have always supported what needed to be done to this game so that others may enjoy it along with my self, even when something I enjoyed was lost. I will also say that I have never enjoyed the wild, but understand its importance to other players. I also miss having free trade, and the joys it use to bring. I am by no means a very high leveled player, nor do I claim to be a “veteran” player, but I wish to leave my opinion and questions here in a few posts.
You have done so much to this game from when I started playing. So many changes have been made in my RuneScape carrier. It’s hard to say how I really feel about all that has been done. I have however stuck through, the G.E., the lost wild, in game riots, real world trading, bots, and now this very vote. I must say it is an interesting proposition that you make to your beloved community. One of which I have mixed feelings about.
I remember the days of multiple bots at Catherby fishing spots, Varrock rune essence mines, Lumbridge general store. I remember seeing advertisements in game for Real World Trading sites. I remember the feel of the old wild, pkers, and the threat of losing your items when you walked out there. I also remember giving gifts to friends of over 100k, scammers, and world 2 Falador. I have seen them all change in one way or another and some I have been sad to see go. However I understood the causes and reasons behind each action.
I felt that as a player, you were doing what was right for the games development and for it to continue on, for us to enjoy. Now I’m not so sure. You have worked for what seems 2 years to help prevent these problems from continuing. Then by doing so, we lost a lot of what we use to know. Now we are at what seems a cross roads...

22-Dec-2010 05:37:49

Juice Layer

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Painfull Woe:
Since you are a pker you only see pvp activites, this game is so much more than having "fun" killing other people. There is a lot more to do in this game than that.

22-Dec-2010 05:38:32 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2010 05:39:29 by Juice Layer

Mar

2020

Angels Heart

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where you are telling us that you will “take back” what has been done seemingly ruining all that hard work and tell us to choose. There are more like me that express mixed feelings about what will happened to the game if this is done, and where it will go, so I will express my concerns.
If the wild is brought back, as said by others, clue scrolls, dragons, F2P clan wars, Abyss Runecrafting will become much more dangerous, also there is the issue of what is to be done with gravestones, will they still be around? Will the wild only be on select worlds like it is now, so that the rest of us who do not pk, but venture into the wild, will be safe?
The other issue would be the annoyance of revs, will they be done away with finally, and if not, are they only going to be on worlds that do not support pking, that is if pking is only on select different worlds. I myself enjoy being able to walk into the wilderness to solve clues, kill dragons or if need be walk to stealing creation, and clan wars, not that I do but the option is nice.

So to see the wild return to the scale that it was all those years ago I would have to disagree, and vote no. I personally like the wild the way it is, as bounty worlds. If some sort of system was used as it is now to maybe rework the drop system to make pkers happy then I suppose I would not mind. My main issue about all of this is the safety of the wilderness we have now, and leading to my bigger concern Real World Trading.
This is the number 1 enemy here, the one that threaten us all these years ago, I being a young player then did*’t think a lot about it at the time, just playing and enjoying the game. Then when hearing the scale at which it was at, I realized how bad it was. I then opened my eyes to what was around me seeing the bots every where and wishing for reform. Thus we have the updates we know today, limited trading, and the G.E. along with software updates to catch these people and prevent them from doing what they do...

22-Dec-2010 05:39:13

Mar

2018

linksdrunk

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this poll was poorly done, you don't need to log in with the name, which clearly means anyone can input some random name on the forums they find, (and 4 of my friends have done it to me). which means more votes are being put on for having this back then what is really wanted. i would love to see some fixes to the trade limit, not free mind you, but a little bit more open like 500k or such.
as for the wild, i could care less, but i would rather have it only on certain worlds then every world on runescape. otherwise it ruins a lot of stuff like clan wars and clue scrolls.
but yeah i think if they want this to be a real poll and not something that's easily corrupted by any random player on runescape, they need to have it where you log in to vote rather then just put your name in.

22-Dec-2010 05:39:36 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2010 05:40:17 by linksdrunk

Raxx Cypher

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Anyway, I don't mind the fact that the wilderness killing may be brought back simply because I lived and breathed in the wild. To me, it is like a second home.
I got a lot of my wealth from the wilderness. It was in the wild where I mined myself 5000 adamant ores in the hobgoblins mine. I can't do that now due to revenants, but Pkers were cool. I would get attacked on occasion, but often times pkers would go up there and just chat with me about it. I would sometimes bring in n00b bodyguards to kill the goblins while I mined, and I would pay them in ores. It gave them experience, and once I even got a rune platelegs and kitessheild because someone attack my bodyguard and happened to be barely within my attacking range.
One of the favorite things I ever did was a "wilderness walk". What I would do is walk into the wilderness without anything on me, see how long I can build up my resources and survive. I managed to get full mithril armour, an adamant scimitar, anchovy pizzas, crossbow and ammo to fire, along with an amulet of power before I was finally brought down by a squad of pkers. This is also how I learned that the general store in the wilderness buys things for high-alchemy prices.
So, I support bringing back the wilderness, especially if it gets rid of revenants. However, I am also aware that several things may need to be changed...
Things such as:
#1: That big Clan Wars square in the wilderness.
#2: That gigantic wilderness volcano crater in the wilderness.
#3: Revenants
Are the three that I see problems with. Those are simply too obtrusive to have in the regular wilderness, and it will be hard to get used to not having them, especially for corporeal beast runs.
I was raised with abyss RC Pking and dangerous wilderness clues. I imagine that penguins would fall right into that spot. I see players either walking for wilderness penguins with three items/no items, or with a full set of gear, ready for battle! It will be glorious.

22-Dec-2010 05:39:54

Mar

2020

Angels Heart

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We lost the ability to give our friends gifts with out worrying about how much it cost. This is where I hear the most complaints about real merchanting, and price manipulation on the G.E. and the death of our economy. I believe that because we are a player based market things like this are bound to happen, maybe not on the scale to what the G.E. has caused, but like all markets it has its ups and downs. So that brings me to my question, would the G.E. remain along with its price system, or would that be done with entirely, I would also assume that the trading interface would stay or go with it as well. However I don’t know if this is the answer to please the community.
After all that has been done to the economy, would this really be the best thing. I enjoy the ease of the G.E. and its price regulation, but inflation of certain items has not pleased me in the slightest. So for free trade I would like to have the G.E. and be able to give gifts to my friends and really be able to make a profit while merchanting, but I believe the damage that it would cause out weighs its benefits. So again, as much as I want to say yes I will have to say No to this one as well.

The outraged caused by this was massive, as we all know, many thousands of accounts being deleted, players quitting, and of course in game riots. This is where we stood, those few years ago, but like the players we are we moved on. Those I believe who truly loved the game stayed, even if destroyed by the events that took place. Those who quit had little faith for the game we know and love.
You say that this is for the community, but when people go to vote for it, it is one sided, however you view it, the fact remains the votes can only add up while those who would say no have to post on a forum. That in terms of fairness is outright. That and not being clear what the vote meant when people firs* saw it and clicked on it accidentally voting yes instead of no, and it going by a name **stem...

22-Dec-2010 05:40:26

Mar

2020

Angels Heart

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so that spammers could abuse the system. How is that even justifying the opinion of the community as a whole?

I have also read on here things about membership renewal ploys or world record setting statistic ideas. Is this the gift that you want to give to the community that you so dearly love, this chaos? I am not happy with the events that have partaken today, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the end. Whatever the outcome I would hope that we would remember that we play this game because we love to play and that like anything else it will evolve.

That we must endure for that which we love, and continue to fight for it. Whatever happens I will play this game, over all the rants and flames, and opinions expressed it is still just a game. I do not know where this will lead but it will be interesting to see what will happen. That is all I have for now.
P.S. sorry for the theatrics and the length it comes from being a thespian.
~Angel, a simple, wordy, poster on these forums

22-Dec-2010 05:41:47

[#FBE6WOEGR]

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THIS VOTE WAS RIGGED TO PASS BEFORE RELEASED. 1.you dont have to enter a pass to vote so many players are voting under several names 2.if you want both wilderness and free trade restored you vote yes simple these players will vote. 3.if you only want 1 of these 2 things a no vote=you dont get either so you dont vote=some1else hears you didnt vote and votes under your I.D. so to sum this up if you want wild and trade back to old it was guaranteed to pass before vote started and if you only want 1 of these 2 things you were not given that choice. paste and copy

22-Dec-2010 05:43:56

Dec

2022

Grenfu

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I think that this is great, free trade and wildy like the old days. But.. I'm not too sure on the whole "Old Wild" thing.. I think if you do end up bringing it back, you should at least have a couple "Safe Worlds" where you won't get attacked by other players. If I'm doing a level 3 clue scroll in the wild, or fiting green drags, the last thing I want is to be attacked by somone.
Reply if you agree.

22-Dec-2010 05:44:18

A MAXE

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okay this sounds amazing.. BUT
there is a major question to ask!
Q) How will you, Jagex, distinguish between the new RWTing and people sending money to pures/pkers/skillers/friends/ect..
A?) Banhammer everyone that trades money again?
MESSAGE TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHINING ABOUT SCAMMERS/LURES/BOTS
LOOK AROUND! Bots are at every tree, every bank, every fighting area already, along with scammers EVERYWHERE, keyloggers, fake emails, fake websites, Merchanting clans!
If your silly enough to fall for a childish trick like "theres 10 mill in the wildy", you deserve to lose whatever you take into a zone that CLEARLY displays a warning!
Trade scammers you ask? LOOK AT ALL THE GRAND EXCHANGE NOOBS STEALING MONEY FROM CLANS!
Look at a clan. What maybe 5-10 people actually benefit, what happens to the other 200 people in there? BOOM! all their stock is DEAD until someone wants to buy 300k rune darts for some dumb reason!
Even then! look at 90% of the top weekly/monthly raises on the Grand Exchange! (rune darts, Black boots, Granite Maces, a MILLION more) BAM! all of those are SCAMMERS! they are clans of scammers!
Seriously? Your worried of 1.. 1 person scamming you! look at that, clans and clans of new-aged scammers.. Wheres their boycott?
Another worry losing your dragon farming spot? sounds good! now you can revert all the pure there cannoning dragons faster than you can see them spawn, back to a skill, that takes time, like WOODCUTTING :o
There will be no more mass wilderness farmers, mass cannoning dragons and such.
Lastly, I do disagree with clue scrolls. Level 3 clue scrolls almost undoubtedly take you to the wilderness. This means staking items, that aren't expensive, but annoying to get.. all of your clue finding equipment, and the clue scroll itself.. THOSE THINGS CAN TAKE SOME TIME TO GET.

So yes I stand for bringing back free trade, and the old wilderness, but it must be thought through for fairness.
Love from,
I Noob F T W (my cc if you wanna talk)
<3

22-Dec-2010 05:46:46

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