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I am Shiny
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I am Shiny

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Back in '06 I had just started playing, and didnt even know what a clue was :P
My 'bad experience' is when I was probably about lv50, in my first rune set. I went to try dragons for the first time, got double teamed. Teleblocked, bound, then maged and ranged at same time. Nothing I could do. However, I was low leveled, and had no clue what to do in that situation.
Gotta love a good speaking of opinions without raging though :D

03-Jan-2011 16:44:19

MacGriogair
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817,200 approximately have voted in favour of this update FredUp.
Are you going to honestly able to prove your claim that the figure is drastically altered by "new" accounts?
Consider it objectively that many older players have logged back on to vote having been away for the duration of the update. Many of us returning have been waiting for the game to restore its unique selling point - from our perspective. Sure there's probably a few created ones if that is even allowed to vote and be counted - I don't know because I've not tested and wont take everyone's word for it.

03-Jan-2011 16:44:56

OdensNeptune

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Power, I factored in 900k voters last night. But, because the RS community doesn't have the time to read on page... 1106-1118, I'll have to repost it...
***REPOST***
For all those who say "90% vote yes! it's gonna go through!" should really read this.
11/15 voters on the polls are new players too. So only 4/15 (go simple math!) are players who were around for old PKing to occur, if that. I'm guessing a good 3/15 are players who started prior to '07, which I am one of. Now please, take 90 and multipy (decimal) it by .2 and you get 18. So only 18% of the voters who voted "Yes" are old, experienced players who know what old Pking was about. You CAN'T do the same to the No's because the No's aren't creating bots that create multiple accounts just to vote. So really, it's still a majority for Yes, but how many of the 18% are Pkers who quit after '07? 40%? 80%? If 40, the percent of players who started before '07, and continued to play is only 10.8% That's still a little higher than the Yes. But what about 80% of Pking voters? It's only 3.6%, which is definatly under the No's. But is it really 80%? Probably not. But unless we do a survey, which most would probably lie about knowing its purpose, then we can't know for sure.
So in conclusion, only Jagex knows the true vote of this poll, because they have all the answers to the questions I'm asking. They can easily pull up the records and figuare it out. Then we can really decide who is the true winner. But even then, will Jagex go through with it, knowing how much good as come out of the removal of PKing and Free Trade? Well really, they gave you PKing, just not the old PKing. Actually, scratch that, Bounty Hunting. You've had PKing, and Free Trade from the drops, all along.
So really, there is no point in this update as Jagex has given the PKers what they wanted years ago. End of argument.

03-Jan-2011 16:45:12 - Last edited on 03-Jan-2011 16:47:12 by OdensNeptune

Bake n Steak

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"so why didnt we do a fair vote in the first place?
why was there no, no option in the first vote?
that got 1.2 million
i for a fact know my firend logged in to see what it was about and found out there already voted for it buy logging in.
why can you now make a brand new account and vote with it?"
Is this an argument? They realized that it was unfair and proceeded to have another fair legitimate vote. AND in both cases the outcome was pretty obvious... i mean unless you can't count.
Hey... if you care so much you could have made an account too... or maybe it's just a reward to the player's who used to play so much that they owned multiple accounts for multiple purposes?
Think before you post please...
face still red?

03-Jan-2011 16:47:34

Power0fchaos

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I was about to ask if he was majoring in poly sci :D Darth you dont understand. the fact that makes it wrong is the 11/15. You have to do it on a much larger scale in order for it to be even close to accurate. get 100,000 of the names and do it. Then use that.
Cheers see you in about 2 months

03-Jan-2011 16:48:00

OdensNeptune

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Actually I do. Thanks for noticing. But I think I'll do geology first, see the *****s when I'm young enough to remember, you know? Come back at like age 45 and run for House Rep, go to Senate, you know. Run up the chain of command.

03-Jan-2011 16:48:12

ChaseRankin

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Alrighty then. Well nearly everybody on this forum right now are people who didn't quit the game when they took out staking, free trade, and wilderness. Either that or you never even got to experience any of this. All of these were good and bad things for a couple of reasons. Bad being that there were bots, scammers, and hordes of pkers to slaughter a treasure trail hunter.
Anyways, I am seeing many issues with the arguments against bringing all these things back. First off the botters are still present. People are just paying them to use their accounts to level them up and make them gold. Its not like they went away they just arent names xinglipao. Or something of that nature. Secondly, of course everyone on this forum hates pking thats why they are still here playing this game. But honestly this game doesn't have enough to offer without some sort of competitive element to it. I think there are simple solutions to all of these issues as far as pkers vs skillers. Excluding the bots cause those wont go away. Anywho, the simple answer is pvp and pve worlds. The pve would have the revanants instead of the pkers. And the pkers would have other pkers to fight against. Although I think that abyss rcing should still have to be on pvp worlds cause that was the whole point of it when it was introduced. OK moving onto scamming. When a trade is changed lock the trade for 3-5 seconds and make the item changed flash. Its not that hard. This has been around since dadgum Diablo (the original.) So why its taking them so long to catch on is beyond me. I would certainly hope some people can see the point of view of people who crave the pvp element with actual reward instead of risking 10m and getting like 200k a pk. Just isn't really fair. Please reconsider your arguments and imagine the life that this would bring back to the game. Currently 100k players playing would go back to over a million.
I wish everyone a Happy New Year and hope you all have a good day.

03-Jan-2011 16:48:16

McGoosen

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Honestly, most of the people that are voting against this never had the old wild or free trade. ive been playing this game since i was in 6th grade (freshman in college now). i used to pk all the time. i would have fun giving friends christmas presents and other things. i also enjoyed receiving them. the addition of the old wild and free trade will bring back the good old ways of runescape. also, back in 2006 my friends list was full. every single spot filled with good people. now i have 19 or so friends on my list. why you ask. because after they removed the old wild and free trade they quit. i remember going to log on runescape and seeing 300k+ people playing. at one point in like 2008 it was down to 80-120k in midday. thats bad business for jagex. i respect that the whole jagex team can listen to what us the players have to say. that right there makes me happy as a customer. rule one of business is that the customer is always right. and if 90 percent of customers love something and are passionate about something it would be in that business' best interest to listen to the customer. its demand people. with the old wild and free trade back there may e rwt and botting but i have faith that jagex can combat that. they are not idiots people. they know what they are doing tbh. with the return of the old wild and free trade the web traffic they recieve will most likely increase. i remember the day that they removed this. i remember the riots in every world in every city in runescape. varrock falador camelot catherby lumbridge. everywere you went there were people screaming about it. so many famous clans disbanded. so many born to pk players simply quit. so many people want the game back to the way it was. in mod osbournes post he asked if it was just a small minority of people who wanted the old wild back. in all honesty, its most of the player base. i love this game ive grown with the game. call me a fruit a nerd or geek whatever i dont care. i love this game.

03-Jan-2011 16:49:33

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