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Sir_Miji

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This isn't stopping gold farming its just changing it so at least you can make some $$$ off people gold farming. This whole principle is just what private servers have been using all this time. No offense but this was a pretty poor attempt at fixing this issue...

29-Sep-2013 09:36:04

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Evilwarloke

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This is my first forum post in literally years, I used to be a long time rs player and member for most of that time. And although i dont play anymore i still check in now and then to see how runescape as a story is unfolding (the game contributed alot to my childhood I have to at least read its updates every 3-4 months)

Way back when I had already understood that with how much gold was being generated into the game and how little gold was being taken out of the game that the runescape economy was going to fail.

Lets just face it Items and gold were just circulating between players in the game and never really leaving the game.

With the new bond system players should be able to dump all this excess gold out of the game buy using it to buy bonds (assuming they can be purchased with a large amount of gp in game) This would more accurately price items and greatly reduce the amount of gold in the game bringing it closer to a balanced economy.

TLDR;

This Idea was absolutely brilliant. I hope it shows good results. Best of luck and keep up the good work. Ill check back in 3 more months haha.

29-Sep-2013 14:34:38 - Last edited on 29-Sep-2013 14:37:19 by Evilwarloke

moon369

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The point of Bonds is that people can sell Bonds in game to people who have gold, most likely skilled players. Right now they are about nine million. the Gold Sink keeps the prices stabilized, and prevents merching (power buying to raise prices and then selling), while also creating a hole that sucks up money in economy (really gold is only as valuable in RS as the things you can buy with it so less gold means more buying power per gold coin. Example: my grandfather told me about a time where he could buy gum for two pieces a Penny) . This whole keeps deflation down and will get out the bot money over time. what we will see is that over time as the bots lose business, less money will flow into the RS Economy, leading to changing prices, supply/demand.
I know many people say that bots will lose business, but that it will not change anything. Don't forget that there are operation cost to everything. when they don't have enough money to keep their servers running, they have to shut them down. Finally last thing I saw: People who feel that Jagex if just doing it for the money. If that was true they could have done it from the start of Runescape! Also, does it matter? So what they get money? It is either them or some shady shell company. I don't really know where all the bots have their computers, but I remember when a Mod said something about North Korean sweatshops... Personally I'd choose Jagex because that money goes back into the game to make it better. In the end the players and the RS experience make it out better. I have never used bots before and don't have much time where I can sit down and play, so bots feel very unfair. In my opinion even if it cuts down on bots by 15% I would say that it is very effective. yes there may still be wiggle room for bots. However Bonds give us a way to support each other and make the game as a whole much more enjoyable.

p.s. sometimes people need to learn to shut up, stop complaining, and learn to think critically

30-Sep-2013 10:26:04

moon369

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ran out of room. An after thought, why not have a Gold Sink on all GE sales, like 5% on both parties. It would have a greater impact. keep trade without is so we could see a resurgence of in-game forum companies that we had before the GE. Overall, great idea, well planned, a huge move. Hope it does well. This has a big chance of seriously ending botting and being the last strike in the "War on Bots"

30-Sep-2013 10:29:41 - Last edited on 30-Sep-2013 11:29:41 by moon369

moon369

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sly fi said :
Btw this wont stop people from gold farming, nor stop people from buying off them mathematically. Its 5$ per 1 bond and one bond is going for 7m in game. When there are farmers that sells a mil as low as like 15-30 cents each. So if you take that average. You are just going to have more people want to buy off of farmers then off you. you know why jagex? because people will want 4m per buck over 1.4m per buck. Take this as an example. If you go to a fast food restaurant. and you want a few cheese burgers. and you look on the menu... and you see 2 bucks per cheese burger. and then you see.. buy 3 for 3. Which deal would take? Logically you would pick the better deal. the same way applies with runescape. My point, to be able to take out gold farmers, you have to beat them in price. otherwise what your doing, is just going to make people want to buy off them rather then you. SO how is that stopping them? I want a logic answer.
People are inherently lazy. If it is quicker and easier to go to Runescape they will. Also Runescape is a lot less likely to sell you cc#, billing info, and personal information, compounded by the fact they could lose their account(*).

30-Sep-2013 10:37:39

moon369

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KleptoFever said :
dear mod mmg.

dear sir, are you high? why are you attempting to yet again scam loyal rs members? really we have to now buy some in-game bond jibberis* to combat gold farming, which sorry but isn't it your job as the operators of this game to find those cheating and ban them? the way i see this is mearly a way for you to milk more money out of a dying game.

this update is a joke. your against real world trading so much.. but now your promoting it to further benefit your company before this game finally dies, you wonder why so many veteran players left and dont play any more? yea... you guys are so against real world trading that i can pay you $5 for a bond and sell it for an in-game benefit of 12m+ on the g-e.

good work on further destroying this game and making yourself and jagex as a company look more like the hypocrits you are.

and further more, looking at the item on the g-e it says "help your friends by trading them bonds so they can get membership, spins or runecoins free" you do know what the word free means right?

free: Adverb Without cost or payment

so clearly your even more full of **** when your SELLING THEM there not really free are they?
but if you are smart, your the one making money in-game, and buying it from someone else. so yeah it is free, if you choose to do it that way. eventually as botting drops, it will be easier to make money as raw material (like herbs, sharks, ore, gems, and any type of PVM drop) will not be supplied 90% through bots.

30-Sep-2013 10:46:05

moon369

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Valothar said :
I don't see how this really stops the gold farming. Instead it turns Jagex into the ultimate gold farmer. Can't beat them...join them. What it also does is install another way for Jagex to sell in game capability for real world money. Don't want to be bothered earning something...buy it instead. For $15 I can now buy bonds that in the game are worth more than all of the GP I have accumulated over the last 6 years. For $50, the bonds have more value than not only my cash, but all of the other items and equipment I have accumulated. I have never purchased any GP from anyone. I feel that all my honest hard work within the game has just been devalued.
I feel what your saying. However the real power is with the people who have the skill level to get things done. One thing I have wondered is that with Dungeons, there is one level in the entire game that goes to 120. There has been a recent surge of fighting against bots. Why? High level content is already out there.... people who already have everything are out there. What if they planned on expanding all the levels to 120? O_o

who would have access to this content first, and benefit the most, if gold botters are gone? someone like you who has played for six years.

30-Sep-2013 10:58:09

moon369

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Mota runin said :
Just a followup thought to the livestream for the Jagex staff. Many of my friends and I have been discussing a current dilemma. The rage factor in the forums (especially around updates like this, which we have a range of opinions) has gotten so out of hand that many of us no longer bother to dig through the chronic, uninformed complaining that happens. We've generally come to the consensus that if we're going to give feedback, we'd like it to be in some other format that isn't trampled by the rage and ranting that has become typical in the forums. In the future, please consider additional means for us to provide feedback, for example by form or targeted email address. Personally, I realize that there is also great value in these forum formats, so I wouldn't suggest removing them. I'd just like to have alternatives for those of us who aren't up for a round of mudslinging. Thanks for all you do, and please know that many of us realize that your efforts are necessarily part of an on-going, evolving process. Have a great night!
This deserved to be quoted. I am finished with my constructive rant

30-Sep-2013 10:59:58

moon369

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Tuxodiac said :
in short, this will create a new market where membership is available at a cheeper rate than what jagex curretly offers, the difference being subsidised by those entities buying the bonds from jagex. The real problem here is that those entities will end up being the stolen credit cards that the gold farmers were using previously to fund their own memberships for the perpous of gold farming.

This will enable a cleener form of money laundering than what is currently achieved through gold farming, as bonds will be purchaced directly from jagex, and then sold at a discounted rate.

Efectively, players will end up buying there memberships at much lower rates (approaching the real world exchange rates in alternate money laundering services, e.g. I give you $5 of dirty money, you give me 10c of clean money)

Jagex will loose out on this in the end, as credit card providers will not only refuse to honour the transactions made with stolen credit cards, but as this method grows in usage, they will have no choice but to refuse credit card processing services to Jagex due to the rising costs in transation disputes.

In the end, the existance of bonds will only serve to desimate the existing revenue of Jagex. as Rudyjdvs pointed out this would be suspicious. Also making it rather traceable. Therefore making it easy for fraud units to hand out millions in lawsuits by banks and jail time for the bots. Ok promise now I am done

30-Sep-2013 11:12:59

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Kire667

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I missed it. I have a job...

Anyway it's nice to see Jagex finally giving in and simply selling rsgp for real-world money at a rate of $5 = 6.8m on GE. It's just too bad that's still no competition toward their competitors.

If you wish to undersell and undercut gold farming bots you must drop below their rates and starve them out.

It's same with when you offer cash gambling spins and have the rates far lower than dice or flower - of course people will turn to what's "fair".

01-Oct-2013 14:24:32

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