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Prishe
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Prishe

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I was in attendance at the very meeting that people keep claiming no one was at. Since you don't have all the facts I would prefer if people stop assuming and flaming Pyro. Though he and I disagree on the method of teleblock use, I do not find fault with him wishing to express how it functions for him in a cohesive manner for the rp's that he participates in. This does not however mean that you are forced in any way to be bound by the rules he clearly laid out for his Teleblocks. I believe that during any given rp, the roleplayers should first have a meeting of the minds and discuss what will be permitted and what won't be permitted in a given rp. This method will put to rest any issues other people have. There is no need to target him and use abusive speech to get your point across.

13-Jul-2017 20:13:50

Lord Pyro I
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I feel you miss the point of the debate I.E. To consider other possibilities and viewpoints other than your own.

Also I would note the artefact Azzanadra sent his agent to retrieve was important in attempting to restore his god. I can't say for certain but I feel Azzanadra would have been willing to lend a hand to ensure the plan went smoothly given its importance.

Last couple of points:

- I will not be reviving Bane and this has no real bearing on that fight (if I'm right it only means we would have had time to assemble prior to the attack which is exactly how it was played out anyway so it would have no effect)

- This was not invented retrospectively I talked to Rex prior to his fight trying to say that only your char vohsar would be able to teleport the army to Forinthry (and not his) because your char knows ancient magic which is an accepted way through under the system described above.

P.S. I thought what I said about Pyro trying to control Insanity is that it might be like when the Unstoppable force meets the Immovable object. Not certain in what sense that is "throwing a fit". "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
#WarIsComing

13-Jul-2017 20:16:33 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2017 20:24:25 by Lord Pyro I

RiDaku
Oct Member 2012

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Lord Pyro I said :
I feel you miss the point of the debate I.E. To consider other possibilities and viewpoints other than your own.

Also I would note the artefact Azzanadra sent his agent to retrieve was important in attempting to restore his god. I can't say for certain but I feel Azzanadra would have been willing to lend a hand to ensure the plan went smoothly given its importance.

- I will not be reviving Bane and this has no real bearing on that fight (if I'm right it only means we would have had time to assemble prior to the attack which is exactly how it was played out anyway so it would have no effect)

Only gonna address what's important. If Azzanadra was going to do everything for the assassin, why would he hire anybody in the first place? He can shapeshift, he can blow through teleblocks, he can do whatever he wants. At best, he gave the assassin that teleport anchor. At worst, he just let the assassin do his bloody job exactly like he was paid to do. Which he did, by outsourcing for someone else's help. Hell, he was even able to pull weapons on to Etrana with that (which is something you could actually have tried to debate. Whether or not weapons can be taken on Etrana, and if there really is a "blessing" on that island to stop all offensive-designed items from being taken there.) It wasn't going to restore his god, it was going to help re-establish communication with his god. Remember that he sent us to get the Frosthorn without any item to help us. He more than likely did the same with the assassin.

Also, did you just admit to metagame? I think you just admitted to metagame. Good job.

Finally, about the Wilderness teleblock again - You suggested Zaros did it? Why would Zaros cripple his own kingdom? That was an entire kingdom, remember. Nobody can teleport anywhere? Good idea. It's also really cool that he was able to feed energy in to that for Ages while he was gone without any sort of body. The Sicarius |
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13-Jul-2017 20:33:34

Lord Pyro I
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Lord Pyro I

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Getting communication with Zaros back allowed Zaros to give instructions to lead to his return.

The frosthorn was in a highly remote area and a failed attempt at retrieving it would not run any risk of it being more protected in future.

Teleporting the assassin rather than giving him something to smuggle onto the island so that he could teleport him himself probably wouldn't have been any more difficult (if it were possible) and would ensure less risk of failure.

No I did not admit to metagaming. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
#WarIsComing

13-Jul-2017 20:51:39

RiDaku
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Lord Pyro I said :
Getting communication with Zaros back allowed Zaros to give instructions to lead to his return.

The frosthorn was in a highly remote area and a failed attempt at retrieving it would not run any risk of it being more protected in future.

Teleporting the assassin rather than giving him something to smuggle onto the island so that he could teleport him himself probably wouldn't have been any more difficult (if it were possible) and would ensure less risk of failure.

No I did not admit to metagaming.

1. Getting communication with Zaros back allowed Zaros to instruct Azzanadra on things, but ultimately had no effect on how Zaros would return because by the time he got his simulacrum, Guthix was dead and he could just show up. All that portal allowed for was Azzanadra to be in the know on what Zaros was doing, and it wound up giving Azzanadra something to use against Lucien.

2. That wasn't the first person Azzy hired to try and get the thing from Etrana, that was just the first assassin that didn't fuck it up, and he didn't fuck it up because he got help from us, which lead to us being the person Azzy tasked with getting the Frosthorn.

3. So then Azzanadra didn't give the tele anchor to the assassin, because it would have been just as easy to teleport him there, and at that point Azzanadra may as well be the one retrieving it himself.

4. Yes you did. You just flat-out admitted that you had your side know of everything ahead of time and prepare, and are only now trying to dictate how teleblocks and the like work to retroactively legitimize your side knowing. You can't even argue that it's been a vague thing on teleblocks, because enough people knew about how they work for everybody in falador at the time of this original argument to chime in and tell you exactly what I'm telling you now, only you ignored it then and you're ignoring it now. You metagamed. Thanks for coming clean. The Sicarius |
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13-Jul-2017 20:57:31

Lord Pyro I
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1. So Azzanadra is capable of predicting the future? If not then he would treat restoring communication as a potential and necessary first step towards his return.

2. Proof?

3. The point there was that Azzy did give him the teleorb because it wasn't possible to teleport him.

4. Forinthry's rules of teleblocking apply when attacking Forinthry if I do "lose" this debate (whatever that means in this context) then Forinthry's rules going forward will be different but still nothing would be retrospectively changed. Frankly I was more lenient than any other pok leader would have been. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
#WarIsComing

13-Jul-2017 21:26:45 - Last edited on 13-Jul-2017 21:28:21 by Lord Pyro I

RiDaku
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1. Azzanadra established communication so he'd have guidance on what he should do, because even the most fanatic Zarosians have to admit Azzy's a lost puppy without Zaros. He knew with the Edicts it couldn't bring about Zaros' return. That's why it's a Communion Portal and not a fuckin Returning Portal.

2. "Azzanadra: The mission in the north has already bested one of my most loyal contacts. He was sent to retrieve an ancient item, the Frostenhorn, from a snow-buried fortress.", The Temple at Senntisten. From this we can assume that Azzanadra has enlisted many people to try and retrieve the artifacts from both Etrana and the snow-buried fortress through the ages, and the Assassin in Devious Minds is the only one to have succeeded in any shape or form due to the help of the World Guardian doing everything for him. Which, if Azzanadra was helping him at all, he wouldn't need TWG's help. Though I guess at the time he wasn't TWG, but The Adventurer. Regardless, the information provided to us in The Temple at Senntisten is enough to draw a conclusion that Azzanadra hasn't only *just* started enlisting people to retrieve these things.

3. The point there was that Azzy didn't give him shit, and what even is your logic? "Sorry, I can't directly teleport you there, but I can make this orb that can directly teleport you there, which totally isn't the same thing and definitely doesn't require the same knowledge"? Shut up. Honestly. You're grasping at straws.

4. Forinthry's rules of teleblocking have never and likely will never follow the path the rest of 42 has laid out, because you don't make sense and you think it's "chaotic" to go against what everybody else has laid out as basic rules for conducting roleplay. This isn't something you can just challenge because "its muh zamorakian way!". You can't flap your arms and fly in real life because you're Zamorakian and that's SO CHAOTIC AND AGAINST THE LAWS HUMANS HAVE LAID OUT. (Cont) The Sicarius |
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13-Jul-2017 21:51:57

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13-Jul-2017 21:52:04

Maurum

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About the whole "Zaros teleblocked Forinthry" thing. If Ancient Magicks were specifically designed to work around the teleblock, why can't they teleport anyone out of the Wilderness past level 20?

Seems more like it's just a one-way teleblock, particularly when you consider that lunar spells can also teleport someone into the deep Wilderness.

On a related note, certain items can teleport out between levels 20 and 30, where the teleblock is active. Maybe the teleport needs to be strong, maybe the teleblock needs to be weak, or even both. But it's still possible for a teleblock to be overpowered, as we can see here.

14-Jul-2017 08:50:10

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