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Keikyo-Kun

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Warning: This thread may hurt your feelings, sorry about that. there is also some profanity to get my point across more impactfully. I have no bias to individuals. If you’re name dropped, apologies.


Hello!

Welcome, friend. if you’ve clicked on this thread, then it applies to you, yes, you . You are special, a human being with a mind of creativity and someone who is a part of a community within which these thrive, and perhaps will positively shape the future of this community.

That being said, I never said that this community isn’t entirely flawed in many, many ways. Too many ways, too many examples. And that these flaws will ultimately bring a tragic end to this “community” if you can use that word anymore, or at least is hindering and limiting its untapped potential.

This is a hypothetical honesty A-bomb. Duck and cover all you like, the fallout will still seep its way in. Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 22:52:46 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2019 22:54:57 by Keikyo-Kun

Keikyo-Kun

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People who aren’t from this community


My first, brief words of advice “ Brace yourself, it’s multi-faceted and comes with a lot to learn, historically, socially and technically ”. I would tread with caution if you plan to join it, realize that whilst people claim that this is a noob-friendly community, it simply isn’t (with rare, rare exceptions of people who are actually friendly to noobs). You’re expected to read a wikia’s worth of information on how to act and unless you really, really try to “force” your way in. You’ll never truly enter the fold, and that’s all before you really get into actual roleplaying.

Think of it like Marine Bootcamp, you won’t be treated with any respect, must perform insanely well and deal with so much shit that you’d want to puke your guts out. As much as I hate to say it, that’s really the truth. Unless you get really lucky like I did and find one of those rare people who foster newbies like family. Dear God do I miss them.

People who think this IS a noob friendly community, stand up now, go find a noob and fucking practice what you preach, for heavens sake, or to put it more accurately, for the community’s sake. I don’t see you doing shit otherwise, don’t sit on a moral high ground for good boy points.

As much as I want to name people who’d be good mentors, I don’t want to name drop and/or put more responsibilities on their plates. If you do your research, you’ll find the people who likely will treat you well. I did say you’d have to do your own research, didn’t I?

There is a Runescape Roleplay Wikia out there that’s easy to find, as well as pinned threads on this forum. but even these hasn’t evaded the tainted grasp of drama and so forth.
I also apologize in advance as a lot of this thread won’t make sense to you without having been in the community for a while. But if you’re willing to press on and listen to what is said, you’ll at least get the general message. Stay strong, friend. Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 22:52:58 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2019 23:04:16 by Keikyo-Kun

Keikyo-Kun

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Identity and why Anonymity is a tool for good.


Before we go any further, lets establish one fact. You don’t know who I am, You may know who I am, maybe we’ve met before, maybe I’ve sparred with you, battled besides or against you, held court with you, drank with you at a tavern. All of that baggage, that doesn’t matter here, who I am, who you are? It doesn’t matter. Conduciveness and Honesty are prized on this thread like golden trinkets, not your Pride or own perception of what warped versions of Integrity are. So, beware flamers and those willing to not at least try and discuss and try to be humane, understand the point of others and so forth. I won’t spare you the time of day.

Don’t bother posting if you won’t follow this simple request. That and don’t bother trying to guess who I am, it proves my point as will be stated below, surely you aren’t shallow enough to try and pursue who I am, are you? It will avail you nothing.

Yes, this is an alt account, because I know many individuals will completely ignore this message based on who says it. “Oh ha ha, [insert unpopular person here] is at it again.” And immediately dismiss it. My anonymity does not make me a coward, afraid to take account of their own actions, or perhaps it does make me a coward, as I said, you don’t know who I am, so I don’t give a damn at the end of the day. This anonymity serves a purpose. So that this thread doesn’t immediately die and people dismiss it based on a person’s history. Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 22:53:12 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2019 23:04:33 by Keikyo-Kun

Keikyo-Kun

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World 42 and where we are now.


World 42 as you likely already know has a rich and diverse history, alongside a tirade of OOC drama on an occasional basis to accompany it, with some of the most gifted (and not so gifted, sometimes borderline psychopathic) roleplayers that Runescape has ever seen, the Syvians, the Lannisters, the Sicarius, the Foryx and the various POKs and organisations that existed in the past, even Morytania had a Roleplaying community that was distinctly large.

Memories of Russia’s Kandarin, Ridaku and his freelancing scene, Sir Tain Def’s White Knights, the countless amount of Vampyre Covens of Morytania and many other examples enter my mind.

But that’s all gone now. * pop *

Why? Well, one completely understandable reason is that people grow up and move onto bigger and more important things in their lives, perhaps they got a job, went to college, got married, had a kid. A variety of examples that stand true if only for how bleakly obvious they are. I’m even aware that a couple of roleplayers have even got engaged quite recently, or so I’ve heard. How romantic, I know!

But what remains is, in comparison, a cesspool filled with more Out of Character drama and grudges than a fucking high school drama has. Sure, there are some beacons of light out there, paragons who I won’t ego-boost if they had/have one. But regardless, the bad outweighs the good now.

World 42 was a healthy, fruitful tree. It wasn’t a perfect tree, but nonetheless it bore sweet fruit and . Then suddenly liquid arsenic was poured on its roots, and it began to die.
Right now, we, you, myself, are that tree, and we are slowly becoming a rot-ridden tree, Likely never to bear fruit again. I won’t continue using this analogy. It’s bloody dumb and I know it is but gets my point across briefly. Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 22:53:20 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2019 23:03:52 by Keikyo-Kun

Keikyo-Kun

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Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!


Let me begin with the big one, drama, most of Shakespeare’s plays become childs play when compared to World 42’s dramatics. Kingdoms have been split because of people’s stubbornness to remain top dog. “My way or the Highway” mentality is deeply seeded in this community. Battles have been completely voided because nobody could neither concede nor accept a truce because of pride and or the refusal to cooperate.
Kingdoms aren’t the only example of this. I previously mentioned the Covens of Vampyres, they had their share of drama too, and I’m sure many sub-genres have.

A refusal to cooperate and subsequentially generate animosity between “sides” becomes the essential death of roleplay between 2 or more parties. Roleplay is meant to be a story written by multiple people. The moment you stop cooperating, you’ve killed that roleplay.
This lack of cooperation generates drama, & the arguments escalate usually to a point where what respect for each other they had, completely ceases, and thus creates distinct sides. “If you’re with them, you’re not my friend” sort of stuff happens. People will get cautious and generally anti-social around opposing “factions”.

I remember there was a post that got locked, I can’t remember who posted it, but it was about a roleplay that occurred relating to Varrock, and that the roleplay went south because powerplaying or something. Whoever that was who tried to enable some respectful conversation, kudos to you. Though as I mentioned, it got locked because of drama and flaming.

There was also this other guy, the title of it was “Why should anyone roleplay?”. And he condensed the issues I am talking about into something small. Hell, even a good portion of people posting were making valid arguments and agreeing, quite similar to mine, I’ll give you the QFC for it since it’s interesting: 237-238-142-66105902 Think of it as a condensed version of this thread. Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 22:53:30 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2019 23:07:48 by Keikyo-Kun

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The Accused


Oh, yes, distinctly disliked person, hi! Don’t worry. Lets talk about you. Prepare yourself.

I understand a lot of these individuals end up putting their reputation in the bracket of “The clique doesn’t like me, therefore I am being bullied” or something not too dissimilar. Listen, put your blinding pride aside just a moment (since that tends to be the case). Perhaps the reason for this dislike is because you’ve actually done something that would make them dislike you? I’m not talking “I was a little curt and now I’ve been isolated”. That doesn’t happen, you know why? Because contrary to popular belief, W42 isn’t run by young teens anymore, (and somehow those times were better). Or people who over-analyse every single detail of an interaction. Most of the population of W42 is now 18-25. People you’d like to consider adults.

“HE’S VICTIM BLAMING, FLAME HIM”. No, I’m not blaming you, though I am somewhat disappointed if you’re still in a situation where you feel you’re a victim, and that you’ve not taken action to dispel or undo what initially ostracized you.. If you’ve yet to do this, that’s not my problem, its your problem alone. Are you going to let your previous actions affect what happens to you today? Are you too filled with spite to tell when someone is trying to talk to you, and you repel them with rudeness? Are you too prideful that saying “I’m sorry, I made a mistake, forgive me, lets try and work this out”. is it less painful that you’d rather let yourself be mocked and shunned?

On that note, lets touch on pride. It’s a powerful emotion. But if it’s so powerful that if you have to stop a roleplay because “my way or the highway” shit, You’re the problem. This also applies to those who’ve ended up making split canons because of it. But nobody hates everybody on their first appearance unless they’re particularly rude or something of the sort. The people that do are either shallow or sociopaths. Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 22:53:42 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2019 23:10:20 by Keikyo-Kun

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People and Adversity


Naturally, one of the most desired and timeless things in RSRP is fantasy and doing things beyond what you can do in reality, and one of the most popular things in that bracket is war or its many variants. Conflict based around kingdoms have always been a thing, conflicts around families and syndicates and so on. The problem is that most people don’t like to lose, they cannot bear the thought that they’ve been outplayed or in the simplest terms possible: lost the fight. And cry and accuse because they didn’t win.

Naturally the normal rules of roleplay should be followed, and in most cases they aren’t. People powerplay beyond what’s reasonable, as well as other infractions propped up by the W42 community. Propped up so much, I’d like to see a referee watching the battle just to combat this, but as mentioned, there will be bias.

In short: Combat, drama, ostracization, forget or one side dissolves. and repeat until the community splinters into what it is today and will likely continue to splinter.

Sorry, but it’s the truth and there's honestly not a lot to talk about it beyond that, do give input if you want, though. Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 22:53:52 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2019 23:11:40 by Keikyo-Kun

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The Conclusion, with Hope and Optimism.

We all stand at the precipice of what could make or break a community of people who love to roleplay, to create narratives that captivate people’s imaginations. The problems listed though will destroy this. Even ones I’ve not mentioned, the problems lie there.

The next time you come across someone you would consider an adversary, instead of ignoring or mocking them, try and converse, something that could lead to some sort of mutual connection, realize they are human.

The person being approached. Just reciprocate, try and connect, try and talk things out, especially those who’d be considered leaders or distinct members of a faction.
We are adults now, at least most of us are. Realize that there is more to roleplay than just the roleplay you’re in as it stands. This is meant to be a community which should flow without controversy.

I’m not asking you to set something up like a governing body, I just ask that you, yes you, try and cooperate, treat one-another with respect, and realize that the people admitting to their flaws and apologizing is likely the most brave thing they’ll do, especially those who’ve been withholding for years, it’s mature, and you should respect them more than anything for coming to that conclusion. Don’t turn a blind eye, because they’re trying. Try and be mature, rather than having gang-like mentalities.

Now go forth, discuss. Poke holes in my thoughts if you like, I will likely reply providing the question/point isn’t completely childish. Agree, disagree, whatever, but please respect what I said earlier, which is to treat others humanely and generate a cohesive discussion that prizes honesty and cohesive thinking, and if you’re thinking of posting something flamey, just don’t bother, you’re part of the problem. I won’t be too pleased if this thread gets derailed by the prideful, having a dick measuring contest about whatever. take it elsewhere. Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 22:54:01 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2019 23:15:07 by Keikyo-Kun

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How we should really be acting, summarized in a song.


[Intro: All]
Whistling, then humming

Cold, the air and water flowing
Hard, the land we call our home
Push, to keep the dark from coming
Feel the weight of what we owe

This, the song of sons and daughters
Hide, the heart of who we are
Making peace to build our future
Strong, united, working 'til we fall

Cold, the air and water flowing
Hard, the land we call our home
Push, to keep the dark from coming
Feel the weight of what we owe

This, the song of sons and daughters
Hide, the heart of who we are
Making peace to build our future
Strong, united, working 'til we fall

And we all lift, and we're all adrift
Together, together
Through the cold mist, 'til we're lifeless
Together, together

By Keith Power, Jason Lewis, Murray Foster and Kevin Durand Nothing personal, kid

23-Nov-2019 23:17:56

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