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CrocoNuts
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Lord Pyro I said :
CrocoNuts said :
All nice that you're still proudly donning your whiskers, Pyro, but I don't see how that sort of talk seems at place with the thread topic at hand. I'm too dumb and am missing your point.


Continueing with our own things might be the best suggestion I've seen come by so far. The season is coming and I think we shouldn't let it be spoiled with bickering over these sorts of things for now. December truce anyone?

Seeing how the canon split is one the most noticeable examples of our downfall I do see the relevance personally. To say nothing of the fact that I am only trying to encourage you all to accept what happened and see the positives so that we can all move past it and focus on my suggestion for reconciliation.


Can you see a scenario come up with a way to reconcile without you being involved? Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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30-Nov-2019 13:07:38

CoronaThymeU

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Lord Pyro I said :
Guilty of what? Deceiving you? I struggle to feel particularly guilty about that.

It was quite literally an IC ploy to weaken the Kandar Empire. I admit that in the interests of ensuring that my plan was not metagamed I took some steps OOC'ly to ensure I wasn't unmasked too early. As Ridaku says the plan was never aimed at stealing Asgarnia specifically (there was afterall no way I could have known that the opportunity would arise) but I can't deny that I was building up my character's power in Kandarin in preparation to do something.

People on W42 often talk about the need to separate the IC from the OOC and really I couldn't agree more. I invite all those that see themselves as betrayed IC'ly to take a step back and see the story that unfolded for a moment.

-> Lord Pyro, a character proposed by me to be one of W42's oldest and most enduring villains sees that he doesn't have the means to take on his current main enemy directly.

-> He disappears and uses his shapeshifting ability to secretly infiltrate the Kandar Empire.

-> Slowly, bit by bit he builds his new persona up from nothing to become (in a certain light) one of the most important people in the Empire (stretching the definition here I know but to be fair he was the king of a kingdom that made up a large chunk of the Empire).

-> He does his best to ratchet up tensions between the Kinshra and the Empire and uses this as an excuse to send as much of the occupying Imperial army as possible up north where they fall into a number of Kinshra traps.

-> His grand deception comes to fruition by allowing a "coup" that officially removes the sovereign nation from the hands of the Empire.

I would challenge any of you to try and write a RP story better than that, scripted or otherwise.

P.S. Ridaku if I had even tried to remove that "garbage" my character would have probably gotten caught/killed.


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30-Nov-2019 13:59:33

RiDaku
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Lord Pyro I said :
P.S. Ridaku if I had even tried to remove that "garbage" my character would have probably gotten caught/killed.

How do you look at everything I said and come out with the conclusion that I'm talking about IC? I'm blown the fuck away. This thread is not talking about IC. I'm not talking about IC. What is wrong with you? The Sicarius |
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30-Nov-2019 14:49:53

Lord Pyro I
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RiDaku said :
Lord Pyro I said :
P.S. Ridaku if I had even tried to remove that "garbage" my character would have probably gotten caught/killed.

How do you look at everything I said and come out with the conclusion that I'm talking about IC? I'm blown the fuck away. This thread is not talking about IC. I'm not talking about IC. What is wrong with you?

At no point did I say anything that indicated I thought you were talking about an IC action. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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30-Nov-2019 15:24:33

Vekon

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CoronaThymeU said :
It was quite literally an IC ploy to weaken the Kandar Empire.

CoronaThymeU said :
-> His grand deception comes to fruition by allowing a "coup" that officially removes the sovereign nation from the hands of the Empire.

CoronaThymeU said :
As Ridaku says the plan was never aimed at stealing Asgarnia specifically (there was afterall no way I could have known that the opportunity would arise) but I can't deny that I was building up my character's power in Kandarin in preparation to do something.

What would you have done to "weaken Kandarin" if that opportunity hadn't risen? I'm curious.

Truth be told, if you want an honest opinion (which I know you certainly don't, especially from me), there was far too much deceit and lack of communication. Regardless of you masquerading as someone other than yourself, from my talks with RiDaku about the coup I could tell you were misleading him in several facets. I understand the desire to be anonymous in a way to prevent metagaming, but it was still pretty unacceptable.

And yes, there was plenty of speculation that Arenaride and Pyro were the same person. Your typing/RP habits were identical. The only issue is that the people(who mattered) treated you like a new person, or a "reformed" Pyro trying to start fresh. Which, given your infamous reputation, it's fair to assume you'd want a clean slate.

Regardless of all that, from Ridaku's position, his rise to power was probably the most reasonable we've seen in recent PoK scene. Especially compared to the eight Asgarnias that spawned beneath him, the shitshow(s) in Misthalin(including you, Pyro, lying about having Justin's blessing), and the awkward shit Void was convinced to put himself through.
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30-Nov-2019 17:20:15

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It's sad to see this split canon shit is still an issue. But I wouldn't call it defeatism to say that the community's wounds aren't going to heal.

I don't think I speak out of line to mention Ridaku, who earlier in this thread stated that some of the people here are entirely unforgivable. And you can't exactly blame him for having that attitude, either. The shit he's received is pretty harsh and, regardless of why he's gotten that treatment, makes it pretty reasonable for him to not want to interact with a handful of others. And he happens to lead a PoK(a legitimately-obtained one, at that. Something most others can't say for themselves), which puts him in a strange situation:

Interact with the people who've treated you like dirt or be relatively isolated?

The issue is it just opens up "opportunity" for others to come and roleplay over him. And it's really, really hard to acknowledge one over the other when one has most the rest of the community effectively "ignored".

And I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet; a majority of the community have opted to interact with one particular side of the community, rather than the other. Sure, there are people that try to mingle with both(and, for some reason, get removed from RP groups for it), but all in all, the people unique to RiDaku, Runekian, and Void's RP is literally a fraction of what the other canon's PoKs and The Wizards' Tower has, strictly in regards to RPers. Not to say that makes it right for people to disrespect others so heavily, but given the relatively small size of the community, it's something to consider.

This community "issue" is only really an issue if we continue to make it one. If people are RPing and enjoying themselves, separated from certain parts of the community or not, so be it. There are quite literally still other groups that don't use the forums and RP without the likes of us just fine. We just all need to be on the same page.
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30-Nov-2019 17:39:15

Kikorono
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This has been one of the more subdued posts on this topic I've seen, minus a few obvious actors. I think Gale honestly has a lot of good points here, as well. There are people on either side of things that refuse to operate with some people or a specific person from the opposite end, and that's not likely to change. Some base their feelings off of rumor or conjecture, others off of personal experience with another person. Either way, there's a lot of hard heads and bad blood that wouldn't be fixed so easily.

That said, I've no problems just talking to people in general. People I wouldn't necessarily want to roleplay with, who likewise probably feel the same. I'm happy with the group of people I play with and don't really care if it grows much more or not. If people want to join, they can. If they don't, then don't.

Roleplaying is about having fun and relieving stress, not causing yourself extra stress by being forced into things you don't want to do with people you don't want to do them with.

30-Nov-2019 18:56:03

Lord Pyro I
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@Gale

Hard to say for sure how I would have done it. It probably would have been slower and based more in central Kandarin where I had already gained a lordship. Plans ranged from provoking ian into a war with kandarin with more goblin/ogre killing events to utilizing the large zamorakian population in southern Kandarin alongside Zamorak Union forces to make a crippling first strike on the capitol once I felt I'd infiltrated enough to stop your IC defenses from being effective. That sort of thing but no concrete plans had been made.

The deception was necessary frankly. If you had the slightest inkling it was me i would have been immediately removed from the rp. That's not cynicism speaking just experience. And is it really a sensible assumption that I would want a clean slate? I never have previously.

I never claimed to have Justin's blessing. I said the pok was dead and that I would replace it with an active one. As for void he wanted Kandarin and I certainly did nothing to encourage him to take it in the manner that he did. I only agreed to support his claim when it became clear that you (the only active member of your pok) were leaving and that conventional rp warfare was not an option.

I can't help but notice that the acknowledgement of ridaku's mistreatment does not come with an apology for it. Oh and this?:

"but given the relatively small size of the community, it's something to consider"

Why is it something to consider? Why is this community so obsessed with the idea that numbers can somehow make you correct? "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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30-Nov-2019 19:45:38

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