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RiDaku
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I thought that "the 2nd" and so on was reserved for people of the same name in the same dynasty? So for example, Varis Grey the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/so on. But if a Varis Lavelle, for example, came in to power in Asgarnia - they wouldn't be the 5th, people would just start saying "Varis Grey (the #)" and "Varis Lavelle". The Sicarius |
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23-Feb-2019 19:28:24

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RiDaku said :
I thought that "the 2nd" and so on was reserved for people of the same name in the same dynasty? So for example, Varis Grey the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/so on. But if a Varis Lavelle, for example, came in to power in Asgarnia - they wouldn't be the 5th, people would just start saying "Varis Grey (the #)" and "Varis Lavelle".

No, that is not how regnal numbers work. The King would also not be addressed as Varis Grey, as they didn't really have last names and often times their actual last name is different than their House name. As in the case of Citizen Louis Capet, King Louis the XVI following the abolition of the Bourbon Monarchy in France the first time, whose House of Bourbon are descendants of one of the first Royal House of France, the House of Capet. As such, as a normal citizen, his name was, literally, Louis Capet.

Stylings are different depending on where you are at and at what point of time, but a King/Queen is addressed as 'King/Queen [first name]', sans the surname. However, usually the style of address for the monarch is decided by the Royal House in power at the time anyway. As for regnal numbers, they are usually determined by records of succession; so long as the current King of Misthalin views the reigns of his predecessors as legitimate, then by the rules of regnal numbers he should be 'James II' as there was a King James on the throne of Misthalin before him. They do not apply to the dynasty in power, as, there has been several dynasties in power (although, most of them do trace their line back to the original dynasty, as in the cases of Capet in France and Plantagenet in England) in the British Isles; the current Queen of the United Kingdom, for example, is Elizabeth II despite being part of the House of Windsor (formerly Saxe-Coburg) when the Queen Elizabeth before her belonged to the House of Tudor. --
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23-Feb-2019 23:46:26

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-- So, in effect, a tl;dr would be that the regnal number and style of address are entirely up to the current King of Misthalin, however monarchical tradition would agree with Lozz that the new king would, in fact, be James the Second.
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23-Feb-2019 23:46:35

Dansplainer
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Since I authored this post, I'm also going to make a few external corrections:

• The House of Windsor's former name was 'House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha'

• From my understanding, the House of Bourbon is considered part of the Capetian dynasty. See, as I stated before, the monarchical tradition of regnal numbers and really any matter pertaining to the address of a person of noble, royal or imperial rank, are different depending on where you're at and at what point in time. As in the case of the British Isles, it would appear the House of Windsor is regarded as its own dynasty despite the incumbent monarch being the second Elizabeth. It's actually weird because technically she's the Queen of the United Kingdom and not England, which actually caused some protest in Scotland about whether she should be considered the second Elizabeth there, since there was no first.

• Technically, Louis Capet was the desacralized name given to King Louis XVI prior to his execution by guillotine, as it was thought to be his surname by the revolutionaries or something. Whether it's his correct surname or not is up to interpretation, I guess, but that wasn't the point. The point is Kings are not addressed with their surnames. He was not ' King Louis Bourbon XVI ,' he was ' King Louis XVI ' Hi, I'm Dan.

24-Feb-2019 00:36:36 - Last edited on 24-Feb-2019 00:39:13 by Dansplainer

Syncreticeye
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I like the relations/diplomacy system you got there, we could do with more clarity like that. Profiled "The gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment may be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again." - Achilles, Troy

24-Feb-2019 05:37:58

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