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Hazbollah

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RiDaku said :


But with this definition you run in to a rather jarring problem. It's not one that's very hard to realize is jarring either. What determines the public sphere? You run in to one circle that tell you this is the accepted public canon. You go to another, and they tell you this one is. You go to a third and they tell you theirs is! Well, who's telling the truth? Do you go by numbers, or quantity of threads? Quality of threads? Number of roleplays per day, per week? No, you don't. Because every single one of these can be subverted and has been subverted rather famously by some clans that you used to see years ago.



Ironically this sounds like one of those hypothetical issues people use to deconstruct points but I guess in 2019 it's a reality

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16-Jul-2019 13:36:16

Hazbollah

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RiDaku said :
Public roleplay can be defined by roleplay that can be found publicly. Anything that advertises itself as open and available is public roleplay.

RiDaku said :
Clans and groups that hide themselves away (or label themselves as private, in case they're trying to invite new people but want to stay secluded from everything else), that choose to ignore [...] other roleplay groups and stories

I'd also like to say I find your definition curious given your current position as POK leader in (an) Asgarnia.

For one, your role-plays are hard to find or attend. Secondly the only way to interact with your group is with your strict approval, which leads me to the third point - you quite intentionally ignore other groups, stories and people. Granted there are *some* you do interact with as evidenced by your thread (e.g Void's), there are a lot you don't acknowledge.

That sounds an awful lot like your definition of a private role-play. Funny how it's labelled as a public group then, I guess. All these sins disguised as blessings

16-Jul-2019 14:41:16

Vekon

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I had some reservations about posting on this thread, but fuck it.

The difference between them is certainly not in the way that they're advertised, private/sandbox groups is just the term used for groups and clans that have elected to separate themselves, more or less, from 42's canon due to their own reasons. Typical reasons include wanting to play way outside of RuneScape's lore, or simply to just run plots that won't affect the core groups of 42.

Sandbox/Private RP groups have been "publicized" in the fact that, historically, people have used the forums to advertise them. Historically, they've accepted applications and welcomed newcomers without being "invitation only"; they're only closed off in the sense that you can't just go up and interact with them unless you've bridged certain gaps.

Which leads into defining Public RP, which is meant to be entirely inclusive , to everyone abiding by a common set of rules that have existed since the beginning. Public is where anyone can come to play and have a lasting effect on the canon world of 42, and the stories of everyone elses characters. It has nothing to do with the way its advertised.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where you post your thread or who's invited to play. Are you inclusive? Do you interact with other groups, antagonistic or not, without needing to give an O.K? Are you abiding by the common rules of the lore, and those of RP conduct in general? Chances are you're public if all of these check out! If you answered no to any of them, it's time to do some reflecting.

I've never heard any of this argued against until, well.. you know.

EDIT: It's important to remember that public rp is a group narrative, too. We're all a part of it.
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16-Jul-2019 17:34:52 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2019 17:37:17 by Vekon

MegaMainAnt

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Let me put it to you all this way:

A public RP can be described as RP that adheres to either the general consensus of game canon, and interacts with the greater community. While yes, public roleplay groups can have applications to join this does not mean they are inherently private. All this simply means only those approved or authorized may join the group, but anyone within the community may interact with it.

A private RP can be described as RP that either follows losely game lore (such as allowing extreme lorebends such as being directly trained or blessed by a god, say saradomin for example, that's a discussion for another thread really), or follows their own specialized canon lore. An example of this would be an RP I was apart of many many years ago where it was Geilnor except some sort of zombie pandemic had spread over the world. In this instance we RPed at Sinclair manor, but it was not on the canon manor, and as a resut we did not interact with the greater community, and specifically cherry picked who joined and who did not.

In short, imagine Public RP as RP done in a public space, and as a result you must accept the consequences and unfortunate politics that associate with being public. Private on the other hand, you are dungeon master, should you be in charge. Everything happens the way it did because you or your players decided it should go that way. This is the key difference. One is curated one is not.

On a slightly offtopic note, I seriously think the community should seriously consider moving POKs into the Private RP sector, and doing more noble houses in public RP. Look at how ESO does it for example. They adhere to the local leaders and lords of the land in lore, but still have their own noble houses to get that power fantasy out. All and all, it seems to me that POKs with player monarchs seem to cause more drama and more issues than they are worth.

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17-Jul-2019 19:04:40 - Last edited on 17-Jul-2019 19:05:46 by MegaMainAnt

Oxtus

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John McAfee said :
Definition of private : Ridaku, Pyro, Void, Runekian, and co

Definition of public : everything else

This sums it up.

This thread is but one in a long line of pointless threads. Everyone knows the discrepancies with public/private RP, and there is no longer need for a debate. There is no solution when it comes to private RPers masquerading as public - we've tried to work things out, to the point where the word "compromise" became a running gag, but it's like drawing blood from a stone. Not going to happen.

What grinds my gears is people claiming PoKs are the problem, particularly people who don't currently do RSRP who don't understand the core of the situation. PoKs are NOT the problem; individuals unwilling to subscribe to the same tenets they wield as grounds for excommunication are the problem.
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17-Jul-2019 19:38:17 - Last edited on 17-Jul-2019 19:48:10 by Oxtus

Lord Pyro I
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Oxtus said :
It ceases to be public once you start handing out blacklists like parking tickets.

I mean, if you need to because that's how many people are breaking the rules then no not really. Those two things actually have nothing to do with each other as long as the blacklists are legitimate. Only real indicators are these:

1) Does the group allow new roleplayers to join and take part in it?
2) Does the RP represent the legitimate continuation of established events within the narrative of public RP

Far as I can see only one of the canons can answer yes to both questions. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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17-Jul-2019 20:54:38

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