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Vekon

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Lady Airlea said :
Vekon s had a little thing called the Druid Genocide.

Curious how you made that plural; a single antagonist Vekon is believed to have committed a genocide against the Druids many decades ago. I corrected another Asgarnian admin on this not too long ago: it wasn't some great family effort that every Vekon was happy to take part in, Drazker Vekon IV alone was said to commit this act, and he received resent for it from everyone, the rest of his family included, whether he was guilty or not.
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HouseVekon

05-Jan-2017 21:40:45

Lady Airlea
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Vekon said :
Lady Airlea said :
Vekon s had a little thing called the Druid Genocide.

Curious how you made that plural; a single antagonist Vekon is believed to have committed a genocide against the Druids many decades ago. I corrected another Asgarnian admin on this not too long ago: it wasn't some great family effort that every Vekon was happy to take part in, Drazker Vekon IV alone was said to commit this act, and he received resent for it from everyone, the rest of his family included, whether he was guilty or not.

And the Renderra family was actively involved in pursuing justice for it. Lucius was the first to do so, and knows of the fact Drazker tried to involve other family members such as Lyras Vekon, as he himself, an adopted member of the family, was invited to participate in the act. The Blackguard, was also involved in the act.

Even if the world at large isn't believing that all the Vekon are connected, the Renderra know better. Even if they aren't airing Vekonic dirty laundry, at risk of airing their own. They're still not friends, and certainly not on friendly terms enough for a wedding invitation.

Especially since the bodies were located, by Lucius under King Oliver Cleeves, allowing him to pursue justice.
Especially since the Druids themselves, remember that it happened. It's part of a Druidic culture to pass stories like this down to their apprentices.
Especially since no reparations have properly been made.

Genocide isn't a one-man act. Killing a bunch of people takes plenty of people to look the other way, or actively help in the act. So yes, more than one Vekon member knew, and allowed it. That's enough for Thalia to not invite them.

It's an open wound, and left to fester. If you want King Whatshisface to work on healing that, he can. Make a plot of it, even. But it certainly will take a long time before they're friendly enough for weddings.
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05-Jan-2017 22:09:20

Vekon

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Lady Airlea said :

Especially since the Druids themselves, remember that it happened. It's part of a Druidic culture to pass stories like this down to their apprentices.
You'd be surprised to learn about the accuracy storytelling and legends will have when subject to the passing of time.

Lady Airlea said :
Genocide isn't a one-man act. Killing a bunch of people takes plenty of people to look the other way, or actively help in the act. So yes, more than one Vekon member knew, and allowed it. That's enough for Thalia to not invite them.
With how Asgarnia has time-skipped over the last year, the event was something that happened hundreds of years ago. You mentioned he invited a single adopted member but with no other names, you suggest other Vekon were involved? Yeah u prolly rite

Lady Airlea said :
If you want King Whatshisface to work on healing that, he can.
Can't, for I am "not acknowledged". Don't act as if you don't know his name when you were typing it 24 hours ago? lel
I'm pretty sure Whatshisface had already spoken with one of your character a long time ago, anyway.

On another note, I'm not trying to debate my way into getting invited, don't interpret this as that. I'd like to avoid the paradox of "Who are you talking to? I don't see anyone standing there."
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Axel Vekon, the Eternal Emperor, the Archmage, the Lichslayer, of the Holy Kandarin Empire.

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05-Jan-2017 22:37:20

Marine Doge

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Vekon said :
Lady Airlea said :

Especially since the Druids themselves, remember that it happened. It's part of a Druidic culture to pass stories like this down to their apprentices.
You'd be surprised to learn about the accuracy storytelling and legends will have when subject to the passing of time.

You're right. That's probably why the druids think the Vekons committed the genocide collectively rather than a single Vekon king. Mods pls notice me

05-Jan-2017 22:55:48

Lady Airlea
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Asgarnia timeskipped like crazy, yes. Only the rulers. At the most twenty years passed for my own characters since I returned to 42 last November. So yeah, it was around a century ago. Four generations back. But the evidence is there for the family, Vekons, plural, participated in the act. If you want to argue that, you can. Though I played two Vekons when all of this happened, and remember it vividly. Wrote down what happened, as well, to be sure the details weren't muddled.

I refused to timeskip the Queen's kids when I had her pass the reign on. Hence why Asgarnia's ruler is a 14 year old girl right now.

Majority of the clan members didn't follow those huge twenty year skips, and neither do I.

And I meant healing that with the Druid population at large. Not that they'd be trustworthy of him, but that can change. Throw them the money they deserve for "sorry we killed all these people" to their living descendants. Offer protections better than other kingdoms have. Have Axel (don't know his regnal name) denounce the genocide, and work on preventing similar in the future. That's stuff you don't need other clans about to fix.

As for Druids retelling the stories... Ever wonder how great, bardic epics managed to keep meaning intact? Rhyming, alliteration, allegory, symbolism, all sorts of pneumonic memory mechanisms were at work to help the teller remember the tale. And when you have a religious group devoted to history, and preservation of their culture as Druids were, they learn to speak these from memory.

Ever hear people quote a bible verse from thin air, flawlessly? Similar techniques at work. Not much would change in a century. Some of the oldest had family killed in it, still.
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05-Jan-2017 22:56:16

Vekon

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Lady Airlea said :
And I meant healing that with the Druid population at large. Not that they'd be trustworthy of him, but that can change. Throw them the money they deserve for "sorry we killed all these people" to their living descendants. Offer protections better than other kingdoms have. Have Axel (don't know his regnal name) denounce the genocide, and work on preventing similar in the future. That's stuff you don't need other clans about to fix.

There are plenty of problems with attempting to please an NPC population, and it is hardly worth the effort when it'll be subject to interpretation by the rest of the community with disacknowledgement factors.

Marine Doge said :
You're right. That's probably why the druids think the Vekons committed the genocide collectively rather than a single Vekon king.

pretty sure he wasn't a king, newguy
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05-Jan-2017 23:15:55

Lady Airlea
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Vekon said :
Lady Airlea said :
And I meant healing that with the Druid population at large. Not that they'd be trustworthy of him, but that can change. Throw them the money they deserve for "sorry we killed all these people" to their living descendants. Offer protections better than other kingdoms have. Have Axel (don't know his regnal name) denounce the genocide, and work on preventing similar in the future. That's stuff you don't need other clans about to fix.

There are plenty of problems with attempting to please an NPC population, and it is hardly worth the effort when it'll be subject to interpretation by the rest of the community with disacknowledgement factors.

Might as well try anyway. Worse case, you have a good story to work with for your clan.

Vekon said :
Marine Doge said :
You're right. That's probably why the druids think the Vekons committed the genocide collectively rather than a single Vekon king.

pretty sure he wasn't a king, newguy

Not of Ardougne. He was Emperor of a Vekon-led Rellekka, until Zenthos Dae in Camelot ratted out he was rallying this force to take-over Sylvari Neleseth's Ardougne. She later made him her general, and Oliver, her husband, adopted him as a prince.

So if an Emperor counts as a King, he was at least a head of state. Just not during the genocide.
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05-Jan-2017 23:38:43 - Last edited on 05-Jan-2017 23:40:01 by Lady Airlea

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-An envelope addressed to Lady Thalia arrives at Burthorpe Castle. Enclosed are a few documents, one of which is a marigold-scented letter that reads thus-

Your Most Esteemed Highness,

I've prepared the menu as we planned with Lady Tepes. Enclosed with this letter are the potential invoices for food supplies as needed for the banquet as well as a sample menu. I intend to visit personally to go over these details with you, but as of now, all preparations for the entrees are ready for your seal of approval.

Sincerely,
Aelfdene

-The enclosed menu-

06-Jan-2017 04:09:24

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