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Melkarth
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Melkarth

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You really like to make things hard on yourself, don't you? A pity. You have a talent, alas you are too proud.

"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."
- Proverbs 16:18, NIV

06-Nov-2015 23:31:07 - Last edited on 06-Nov-2015 23:36:02 by Melkarth

Sand Traven

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Icriulis said :
Is it reasonable to use a superheat spell on a knight to kill them?


No. We stopped doing that sometime in late 2011 or maybe as late as 2012. I used to do it a lot, and I can tell you it's rofl'y as all hell, not to mention overpowered and extremely dubious mechanically speaking.

Of course, as with all things, this changes if the knight in question actually wants to die that way.
One man's trash is another's treasure, and one man's cash buys another's pleasure.
So I'll rob from the cradle, and I'll rob from the grave; it's just human traffic, and I'm just a slave.

09-Nov-2015 15:26:54

DMMetalaane

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What Sand said. Whilst canonically accurate in its application and results, Superheat would be accomplishing the exact same thing and for the same reason as a Fire Surge would, and it is common practice to charge offensive magic (turns taken being relative to tier). Ergo, Superheat would effectively be a cop-out.


If you're aiming to melt a *****, Fire Surge is the way to go. Or, perhaps, if humiliation is your angle, channel Bones To Bananas to a sword and stab someone with it! Be sure to eat one, too.
Save yourself.
Savior self.

10-Nov-2015 07:33:34 - Last edited on 10-Nov-2015 07:33:51 by DMMetalaane

Sand Traven

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DMMetalaane said :
channel Bones To Bananas to a sword and stab someone with it! Be sure to eat one, too.


Is there any sort of precedent in lore for the channelling of a spell like that into a physical weapon? I expect there is but I can't currently call one to mind.

There are a few things to remember with this sort of magic. Obviously in a sandbox or private environment such a thing is fine, but if I were in a battle of any significance I would feel a bit miffed if my gesture of fairness - I try to take a minor to moderate wound early in a fight to demonstrate a willingness to take injuries - was met with the revelation that the weapon with which I'd just been knicked had the capability to instantly cripple or kill my character. If someone sprung that on me I would tell them, in no uncertain terms, precisely where to stick their keyboard.

The problem with weaponised utility magic is that it is not subject, from anything seen in-game, to the same rules surrounding combat magic. I'm (now) ashamed to say I played a very big part in the propagation of such shenanigans early in my roleplay career. Superheat, High Alchemy, Bones to Bananas, Pie Bake, Plank Make, String Amulet, and probably some others I'm suppressing out of embarrassment. All of these are fine in a private and consensual environment, but if you're actually competing over something they're best avoided without an innate understanding of fair play.
One man's trash is another's treasure, and one man's cash buys another's pleasure.
So I'll rob from the cradle, and I'll rob from the grave; it's just human traffic, and I'm just a slave.

10-Nov-2015 16:44:24

Rexost

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I have actually given a lot of thought to this, and have some serious opinions on the matter. You can tell I'm serious because I'm using dark grey, not
blue
.

One of my characters has taken his lunar magic training and warped it into a series of insane, potentially overpowered combat spells. My personal favorite is the humidify spell.

As you know, in game the humidify spell fills any empty vessel in your inventory (presumably in your hand or at least your possession) with water.

I ask you this: what happens if you place your hand over someone's chest, say, over their lung, and cast humidify.

This raises many points on the uses of non-combative magic in a combative setting.

Would that spell instantly drown the poor fool? Would it do nothing at all? Would it instead fill their chest cavity or clothing with water? Who knows. We don't. As such, its open to great interpretation.

I've worked out some rather strange combat uses for many of the lunar spells, as the twisting of these peaceful, druidesc spells was always something of interest to me even before I started role playing.

But yes, the truth of the matter is that we have literally no idea how these spells, and many other non-combat spells, would function in a fight. And we can't just ask Jagex. Well I mean we can, but really, are they going to take the time to answer that?


Looking at you, Mark.




Edit: Literally why am I on the forums. Fallout 4 is out.
Edgar
=/=
Rex
=/=
Rend

#PraiseTuffty

10-Nov-2015 21:01:09 - Last edited on 10-Nov-2015 21:06:47 by Rexost

Sand Traven

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Such a use of the humidify spell would say insta-pneumonia to me, but that's only if such a thing is accepted. And honestly, it probably shouldn't be.

But to be honest, I don't care about that right now. I care about not being able to afford a system that can run Fallout 4. You go enjoy yourself, buddy. You enjoy yourself on that niiiice shiny console/rig you've got. Totally not jealous.

Ass.
One man's trash is another's treasure, and one man's cash buys another's pleasure.
So I'll rob from the cradle, and I'll rob from the grave; it's just human traffic, and I'm just a slave.

10-Nov-2015 22:45:10

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