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SpeedoJor
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Lord Pyro I said :
SpeedoJor said :
Pyro, this isn't Murder on the Orient and no one really gives one for your reasoning.

Treachery and deception in my eyes should mean you be blacklisted by the W42 community.

Well quite, why would roleplaying have anything to do with a story...

Except actually everything we do is to do with stories so I'm not really sure I see your point.

Except those conversations on running W42 like some short-brushed dictator... i'd love to hear your reasoning how that's a story...
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12-Feb-2019 18:11:12

SpeedoJor
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Lord Pyro I said :
SpeedoJor said :
Pyro, this isn't Murder on the Orient and no one really gives one for your reasoning.

Treachery and deception in my eyes should mean you be blacklisted by the W42 community.

Well quite, why would roleplaying have anything to do with a story...

Except actually everything we do is to do with stories so I'm not really sure I see your point.

Except those conversations on running W42 like some short-brushed dictator... i'd love to hear your reasoning how that's a story...
it doesn't matter whether a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.

12-Feb-2019 18:11:15

SpeedoJor
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Tuffty said :
If people don't like this thread then I'm sure you can find other threads you do like. There is no one forcing you to post here.

What ever goes on with the Community as a whole I've no idea about. But if a threads made and it's within the current forum guidelines then whats the issue.

If you have a beef with anyone sort it in game and not within the thread.

@Tuffty, I can tell you what's going on. Pyro, Daku and Void are trying to run and own everyone's RPs like they are Sarah Jessica Parker in Sex and the City.

Pyro been using subterfuge to undermine independence (i.e. people who aren't kissing up to him). like China with Taiwan.

This thread is aimed to justify why he did backalley deals and create a repulsive double-standard fascist movement. However, the community were aware before this unwarranted thread on why he was doing this and just trying to enflame the community and divide it.
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12-Feb-2019 18:14:55

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@Marshal Jor

Thank you for explaining.

I will watch the thread with interest and see how it goes. Hopefully you can all agree and work it out.

As long as the forum rules are followed then I see no issues with you all trying to sort it out. Just remember be nice. ;) Comprehensive Account Security
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12-Feb-2019 18:51:37

Lord Pyro I
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CrocoNuts said :
@Pyro

Adding to question 4 why someone could do this. To avoid being called out for being a landhogger or perhaps to be known as someone who doesn't give new people a chance.

Then no I wouldn't consider that acceptable.

@Otilio

1. But what level of skepticism is reasonable? At what point do your suspicions become OOC'ly motivated by the knowledge that the person is a spy? The fact of the matter is there are many, many rpers who are happy to completely ignore metagaming as a rule. And even in those that do obey it, it is impossible to know how they would respond if they didn't have that OOC knowledge. The simple fact that you know influences decision making, willingly or not.

2. I understand the desire to communicate and manage expectations so that disappointments and frustration are minimised I really do. In any other area I would agree but not in this one. Regardless of the fact that you feel you could handle it, not everyone can say the same particularly as it is one of the few areas that genuinely promotes stress (try being a Spy King). Besides all POK leaders need to have a certain attachment to their POK and its projects in order to be any good. That doesn't mean they are incapable of accepting they might lose it one day, they may even have an end in mind.

3. My identity is so interwoven in my character's intentions that you couldn't possibly separate the two. Moreover it has to be an OOC reveal to create OOC shock or surprise. Is it worthy of disapproval? Maybe. Once you had sorted through all the far worse issues we have seen on W42 that are still ongoing. Sort out the open mockery and bullying before you come to me complaining about how I wasn't completely honest about the way I'm playing this game with you. People still matter far more than the way I play this game and always will. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2019 19:49:25

CrocoNuts
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Hazbollah said :
Respectfully, I disagree. This is not the "correct approach" and I wouldn't condone anyone doing it, 'infamous member of the community' or not.

Fully agree with what this man here said. Plus, on regarding it less cruel; Some people also connect and get emotionaly attached to the people behind the character. To suddenly find out your friend is not who you think he is can be quite the slap in the face for some. To deem your in-character narative more important than someone’s out of character’s trust is something I won’t support.




I dare even take this opportunity to propose something new of a rule regarding the use of alt-accounts. Currently there is no speaking of ‘facts of it being the best way’ when it’s clearly been shown to be effective. But the question imo should be if this is best ethical/morally righy way of going about it. You used the word ‘trick’ but it could easily become ‘manipulate’ at some point.

If we wish to show safety, inclusitivity and a welcoming RP community I think these methods of using an alt-account are heavily counterproductive. I think it’s good to concider a potential rule on the sticky threads. Something to prevent methods that are rooted in deception and the abuse of trust from causing an uproar again.

Of course this will not influence the story of ‘which canon?!’ regarding Asgarnia. This happened when there were no rules on W42 regarding the use of alt-accounts and is something not relevant to my point of installing new rules. It was merely a catalyst that sparked up the conversation. Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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12-Feb-2019 20:11:42

Lord Pyro I
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@Jor This is truly hysterical.

If deception is a sign of fascism then the French underground was some strange form of support for German occupation.

It is particularly strange when the group I subverted were the ones who decided, even during the time I was infiltrating them to shut down your POK at a whim. Has it occurred to you at any point that, that fundamentally was why I was trying to bring them down? So that you could run the RPs you wanted to, when you wanted to, with the people that you wanted to. I have ruled W42 before and have no desire to do so again, I gave Asgarnia up for that very purpose.

You speak of us as having a "double standard" for excluding the Kinshra and preventing what they were attempting at that Camp. In this argument you have a point.

We do fight against excluding people from RP and it frankly did not sit well with myself or Ridaku. If you are disappointed with us for compromising that principle I can understand that and I am sorry. It was not part of my plan, it was not something I wanted and it was not even within my power to prevent it but I do understand why Ridaku did it.

I spent several months infiltrating the Empire and rising through the ranks. I attended and even lead many, many RPs and promoted a noteworthy and perhaps even praiseworthy amount of activity. I took actions that fitted perfectly into the existing arc of my characters on W42.

They did not. The Camp was created through a few forum posts and discord messages used to bring a rentamob and place them right in the heart of the Kingdom as a direct threat to a new born POK. It was done not to promote activity or to further a storyline or for any other positive reason but solely to attack a POK because of the OOC grudge held against its leadership.

(cont) "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2019 20:18:04

Lord Pyro I
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(cont)

When I started RPing there was a rule known as Randoming. That was attacking someone for no reason or over an OOC motivation. Under that rule the Camp could legitimately be blacklisted for their conduct. It is an old disused rule, I admit that and I don’t claim that it was actively in affect in any way on that day but it does underscore a fundamental point that explains why I cannot consider their actions to be reasonable or fair.

To those that perpetrated this action, this is no more than one example out of many, many times they have done this. And indeed there is also just as many instances in which I was blacklisted simply because I was the antagonist. The only reason that this event is so infamous is because of the infamy of those involved. The ones that have blown this event out of all proportion are the real hypocrites.

We showed double standards perhaps but to a far lesser degree than those we are trying to oppose. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2019 20:18:12

Lord Pyro I
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@Croco finding out that your new friend on w42 has decided to betray your POK has always been a possibility even with alt-accounts and always will be.

Finding out that your new friend on w42 is in fact someone you always hated on here before is simply an opportunity to gain a new perspective.

Abuses of this are I accept possible but creating a rule against alt-accounts will do nothing to discourage those who wish to abuse it. With the ability to enforce such rules on W42 essentially non existent it makes this point entirely irrelevant to this debate (because creating a rule against it would have no impact on this issue).

However I am happy to see the opening of debate on this issue even if I will be arguing the opposite case. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2019 20:33:05

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