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Gersty

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Tuffty said :
Guys please stick to the topic.

Last thing anyone wants is a locked thread.

Cheers.

Also removed a few posts. ;)

Actually, I'll go out on a limb to say the first thing anyone involved in RSRP that isn't corrupted by these two wants a thread made by them locked.
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12-Feb-2019 14:39:25 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2019 14:41:24 by Gersty

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The thread is just a middle finger to all of us that were snaked. And to prove how cunning, intelligent and awe inspiring the dynamic lorebreaking duo really is. Nice one RiDaku and Pyro, you two really pulled a fast one over people trying to have fun with their hobby.

12-Feb-2019 14:42:45

CrocoNuts
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@Pyro

1. Honestly clever of you to use a second account for your Mahjarrat’s human disguise. Would you deem it acceptable if other roleplayers used this method for their Mahjarrat?


2. Say I am a Kinshra Lord and I want to do some antagonising to the White Knights. You want to spy on them and not be obvious about it. Would you say it is acceptable for the Kinshra roleplayer to use a second account, then uses the account to create a ‘White Knight’, which is actually a Kinshra spy?


3. Would you allow people to use extra accounts during roleplay battles to fill out the ranks? If yes, how would you prevent this from being abused?


4. Say I got a large roleplay family in charge of a fair size of POK-land. I wish to continue it for longer than just my characters reign. Would you accept it if I made a second account that roleplays the IC-leaders next in line?


5. I wish to assassinate someone IC. I use a second account to roleplay someone I hired as another character I use my main account with. I can probably easily get closer than when I roleplayed it all out on my main account. Would you say this method is acceptable? Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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12-Feb-2019 15:02:58 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2019 16:35:53 by CrocoNuts

Tuffty
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If people don't like this thread then I'm sure you can find other threads you do like. There is no one forcing you to post here.

What ever goes on with the Community as a whole I've no idea about. But if a threads made and it's within the current forum guidelines then whats the issue.

If you have a beef with anyone sort it in game and not within the thread. Comprehensive Account Security
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12-Feb-2019 15:08:54

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CrocoNuts said :
@Pyro

1. Honestly clever of you to use a second account for your Mahjarrat’s human disguise. Would you deem it acceptable if other roleplayers used this method for their Mahjarrat?


2. Say I am a Kinshra Lord and I want to do some antagonising to the White Knights. You want to spy on them and not be obvious about it. Would you say it is acceptable for the Kinshra roleplayer to use a second account, then uses the account to create a ‘White Knight’, which is actually a Kinshra spy?


3. Would you allow people to use extra accounts during roleplay battles to fill out the ranks? If yes, how would you prevent this from being abused?


4. Say I got a large roleplay family in charge of a fair size of POK-land. I wish to continue it for longer than just my characters reign. Would you accept it if I made a second account that roleplays the IC-leaders next in line?


5. I wish to assassinate someone IC. I use a second account to roleplay someone I hired as another character I use my main account with. I can probably easily get closer than when I roleplayed it all out on my main account. Would you say this method is acceptable?

This, essentially.

Ignore any transgression you've had with any of the individuals before - but you cannot deny that this kind of behaviour is unethical and damaging to the community. Honestly, if some of you knew about this before like you claim, I find it disheartening that you didn't call out this Machiavellian display.

If you wanted acceptance in the community, I think you will find yourself lacking after this stunt. This was not the way.

Very disappointed in you all. All these sins disguised as blessings

12-Feb-2019 17:27:58

Lord Pyro I
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Ok so quite a bit of activity to address here it seems.

@Tuffty Apologies for the disruption caused by this thread. It's purpose was simply to explain more clearly a very complex RP event. Your understanding is very much appreciated.

@Vekon thank you for being understanding but a couple of points to note.

1. Although your character as stated can normally pick up on Mahjarrat, Pyro was aware that he might encounter individuals with those types of abilities during the deception. During the 1,000 year exile that takes place in Pyro's backstory he learned many magical techniques that allow him to conceal himself much more thoroughly than most Mahjarrat ever bother to.

2. As I recall and have shared with others, we did discuss both the topic of unifying Asgarnia and of moving Imperial troops around and your subsequent consent in both instances.

@Croco

1) Yes 2) Yes 3) No except where that contradicts 1 and 2 I guess 4) Not sure why you wouldn't use a new character on the same account 5) Yes

I will explain more thoughts on this topic more clearly on the FAQs (it was actually one of the main issues I intended to address there)

@Otilio It's an area to which I've given a considerable amount of thought. Take a look at page 1 to see my arguments to suggest that it is in fact the correct approach "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2019 17:33:48 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2019 17:35:33 by Lord Pyro I

SpeedoJor
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Pyro, this isn't Murder on the Orient and no one really gives one for your reasoning.

Treachery and deception in my eyes should mean you be blacklisted by the W42 community.
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12-Feb-2019 17:56:11

Lord Pyro I
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SpeedoJor said :
Pyro, this isn't Murder on the Orient and no one really gives one for your reasoning.

Treachery and deception in my eyes should mean you be blacklisted by the W42 community.

Well quite, why would roleplaying have anything to do with a story...

Except actually everything we do is to do with stories so I'm not really sure I see your point. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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12-Feb-2019 17:59:58

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Respectfully, I disagree. This is not the "correct approach" and I wouldn't condone anyone doing it, 'infamous member of the community' or not.

1) You raise a fair point here, but a good role-player knows not to metagame and will act accordingly like their character won't know. That said, there's no reason why a POK leader/King should trust just ANYONE in-character and you should always expect some scepticism and paranoia. Some random guy from an ancient house trying to reclaim his power? Yeah, sure, he definitely doesn't have any motivation behind that. /s

2) I would find it more respectable that the role-player comes to me and says "hey, I just wanted to tell you that this character is a spy". As you'll see with any example, communication is crucial. If a POK leader is that attached to their POK that they consistently/always worry about losing it I doubt that they have the maturity to lead one. You cannot expect to have it forever - other people have stories to tell. Appreciate the time you had and make another.

3) Also a true point - some of the best role-plays I have experienced have invoked some real emotion in me. They really stuck with me. But this isn't really comparable - your surprise is in an OOC level regarding the identity; ergo the emotions are more toward you (the role-player) than the character, and as I've said prior, it's not unreasonable to disapprove of that. All these sins disguised as blessings

12-Feb-2019 18:08:49

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